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Mark_Wallace wrote: "helpers"
You're correct in placing that word between quotes.
"Helpers" generally aren't.
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I have had the same kind of behaviour if I unplug my screen and plug it back in. It was so in Win7 as well, long before Win10. We spent considerable efforts in finding the reason - colleagues of mine had the same PC model, the same Dell screen driver, the OS was deployed from the company server the same way. Yet I was the only one expriencing this whenever I had to unplug my screen.
So I try to avoid unplugging my screen. The triggering event is different from what you report, but the effect is identical. So I suspect that the root cause is the same, even if triggered by different events.
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What is this bloody fixation of browser makers with putting the page tabs above the address bar and toolbar, so that you can't tell which one the page associated with?
I couldn't count the times I've closed the wrong tabs because it's far from obvious which is which!
The tabs should be attached to the pages, for Crom's sake! That way, because the bottom of the active tab is open, it is patently obvious which one the page is attached to -- but when it's above the address bar, it doesn't indicate anything, and gets muddled up with the other lines.
What do they do with filing cabinets? Cut all the tabs off and glue them to the frame above the drawer?
+ Menu bar
+ Toobar/address bar
+ Tab bar
+ Tabs
In! That! Order!
Great UX. Firefox just lost a customer.
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Why? It wastes the "title bar space" that tabs occupy, and - certainly on my system (Win10 + Chrome) - the "active page" tab is highlighted: White instead of a Blue background.
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OriginalGriff wrote: It wastes the "title bar space" that tabs occupy
Tabs should absolutely not be in the "title-bar space"; that leaves you with nowhere to grab the window to move it, or even to click it to bring it to the front.OriginalGriff wrote: Win10 + Chrome
That's a very attractive combination, but I think I'd rather take the express train straight to Hell, actually.
This[^] is what you get with firefox -- and I had to install an extension to put the dark line above the active tab.
It's utterly ridiculous that the tab is attached to the address bar. Have these people never seen real paper with real tabs?
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Mark_Wallace wrote: leaves you with nowhere to grab the window to move it, or even to click it to bring it to the front.
I can - there is a thin area above the tabs, and a "gap" to the right of the "new tab" button which you can click / grab with impunity.
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Yeah, loved that at a place I worked where the only option was edge (they had chrome, but I don't consider that to be an option).
Click a picometre too low and you hit the close-tab cross, which you can't see because of the window in front of it.
And the superb piece of cr@p that edge was didn't have an "undo closed tab" option, so I had to go through the history to figure out which one I had closed.
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On my monitor, the "Close" button is 4mm high, and there is a 2mm border above that within the tab, and a further 2mm above that (when not maximized) you can click with impunity.
And Chrome has a "recently closed" list in its "History" drop down.
Edge was not a "superb piece of cr@p": There was nothing superb about it, it's sole use was to download Chrome or Firefox ... 
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Mark_Wallace wrote: This is what you get with firefox
Plus a permanent headache. Switch to Chrome it is really so much better.
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It's similarly highlighted in both FireFox and WaterFox -
I've never had the problem so I never noticed (highlight is more extreme as a link, visually than the lack of a border).
On the other hand, I understand the illogic you bring up. For a custom tabbing page at work, my users see highlighted connected tabs. Again, I leave as little to chance as possible when "users" are involved.
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Use chrome.
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Get thee behind me, Satan!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Get thee behind me, Satan!
You're so evil that Satan would start following you?!!  
I saw your screenshot on the other post and the problem is your theme. My firefox and my chrome both are clear which tab is active. Your colors are dulled.
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ZurdoDev wrote: You're so evil that Satan would start following you?!!
Well, he does keep sending me invitations to sign up to facebook.ZurdoDev wrote: Your colors are dulled.
"Classic" style, sure, because I want colours in the page content, not the window borders.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: he does keep sending me invitations to sign up to facebook.
Donald Trump, contrary to popular belief is NOT the devil.
Mark_Wallace wrote: "Classic" style,
Hmm, weird. I've never changed my style (I've always been awesome) so I would presume to be using classic as well but yours looks much different than mine.
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That's "classic" as in pre-XP, with no distracting colours, and no bubbly rounded corners (which make screenshots look like cr@p).
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Mark_Wallace wrote: no distracting colours,
In this case, a color to distract the active tab from the others.
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Bur it's as plain as day which page the tab is attached to here[^].
In fact, if tabs aren't attached to pages, they're not even tabs; they're just buttons.
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I went with pale moon which fixed a lot of things mozilla broke in ff (fixed or didn't do)
... mostly the < save / quit / cancel > when you close the thing with lotsa tabs open.
I'll admit though my bank doesn't like pale moon, so I installed chrome just for that.
(dislike chrome, not just tabs on top of the address bar but no menu bar because that's "modern".)
after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!
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I used Pale Moon for a while, and liked it a lot (especially the marvellous Speed Start extension, which provides the best start page ever, IMO), but too many pages weren't working in it.
I've just updated it, so I'll give it another go.
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 Isn't the background of the active tab rendered in a different color than the other ones on your system?
Or are you using that dumb Win10 default setting where all captions, whether active or not, are shown in white so there's no way to tell them apart...?
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It's displayed vaguely lighter, but when you have lots of tabs open (15+ is normal, for me), it's barely noticeable.
The "dumb Win10 default settings" have never been a problem for me (although I think "dumb" is a far too forgiving word, so you're probably a much nicer person than I am). I hack the cr@p out of the registry, to get rid of them.
But it's so bloody illogical, is what gets me. The tab is part of the page -- in the real world, it is physically part of the page -- so attaching it to an address bar makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and is completely unintuitive.
It makes it into just a horizontal row of buttons that switch between pages that are somewhere else in the window, which is most certainly not good UX -- if you insist on having such buttons, at least align them vertically.
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I use the addon "Tree Style Tab". I get a nice, hierarchical list of tabs on the left side. I don't even look at the tabs at the top any more.
I'd post a screen shot, but, I'd have to load the image to a site somewhere to be able to link it and I'm lazy.
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Found it. I'll give it a go. If it can be positioned on the right, I'll probably keep it.
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Indeed it can, so I'll run with it for a few days, and see how it goes.
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