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Yes.
I'm not saying educating a teenager is never problematic. I'm just questionning whether systematically infantilizing them is a good solution in the long term.
"Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke!
Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."
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phil.o wrote: systematically infantilizing them is a good solution in the long term.
No it's not, nor did I see that suggested anywhere. Maybe I read it differently than you.
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Whether the teen is treated as a child is entirely dependent on the choices the teen makes. The parent is not "infantilizing" them - the teen makes that choice. It is much cheaper for a person to learn consequences as a teen at home with parents than as an adult in prison with adults who really do not care. Learning self-control and making wise decisions are the most important things a teen will learn.
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Lousy argument to try and justify the "not trusting"; and in some cases, verifying is illegal.
..but then again, it seems to work for China 
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Lousy argument to try and justify the "not trusting";
Don't read more than I wrote. I never said not trusting your kid. That would also be bad parenting.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Don't read more than I wrote. I never said not trusting your kid. That would also be bad parenting.
You implied that those who have raised kids know "better". Might have been a jest, but was not recognizable as one and people reading may not take it as such.
So no, not reading anything more than you wrote. If you don't trust your kid, limit their access. Same rules apply on your bosses network btw.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: You implied that those who have raised kids know "better".
Yes, we know better. You can't just trust your kids and leave it at that. That's being a lazy parent. Of course you need to build trust with your kids but not at the expense of not parenting anymore. 
So, yes, you did read into it something I didn't write. Not every post is black or white, there can be in-between. 
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ZurdoDev wrote: So, yes, you did read into it something I didn't write. Not every post is black or white, there can be in-between.
You did not post it that way; the way it is formulated, it implies, whether you did so intentionally or not, and it does whether you like it or not.
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Eddy, you are one stubborn old fool.  Can't admit when you are wrong.
Implication is in the eye of the beholder.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Can't admit when you are wrong.
I can, and would, when I am.
ZurdoDev wrote: Implication is in the eye of the beholder.
No, in the use of language.
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he's just trolling you.
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Slacker007 wrote: he's just trolling you.
You could be right, but I've seen enough of Eddy's posts to know that he's too arrogant to think he might have misunderstood something. The guy never makes a mistake. 
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Eddy is an a**hole. simple as that.
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I see you've never used tiktok
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Maybe the best way would be to respect her privacy? 
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Clearly not a parent.
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exactly.
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So tell me, why would a parent spy on their kids?
Don't you trust them?
Are you worried?
Spying on people usually tends to make them angry or annoyed at the least.
Teens really don't need more of that.
Instead, they like to feel understood and trusted.
Educate them and let them know you're their and you won't be angry.
Kids need to make mistakes.
And if you're only spying you won't even prevent them from making mistakes, you'll only see the fact afterwards.
If you did this to literally anyone else they'd sue you and you'd get a restraining order (and a fine and possibly jail time), so why is it okay to do to your kids?
For the record, I don't know any parent who did this and all their kids turned out fine.
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Until the teen reaches 18 years old, they are a child and you, the parent, are legally responsible for what they do. They have no right to privacy where parents are concerned. It is the job of the parent to know what their kid is doing and in doing so, teach them right from wrong and protect them. Once they are adults, then they are responsible for themselves. If the parent did not raise and train them how to be responsible adults, they won't magically become so at 18.
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You need to know what they're doing in terms of "in their room (hopefully doing homework, but you know better than that)" or "out with friends" (and when they're not at home you'll never know what they're actually doing for certain).
Most importantly, "not burning stuff to the ground" or "not stealing a brand new tv", but you raised them well so they won't do that.
You don't need to know the level of detail of "browsing pr0n" or "drinking different beers and getting sick" (that's a good life's lesson!).
Sorry to say this, but you sound like all children are out to get their parents arrested for stupid stuff they did.
You did stupid stuff when you were young, I did stupid stuff when I was young and your children will do stupid stuff too, it's called growing up.
Luckily, it's mostly getting drunk and throwing up or skipping class and getting detention kind of dumb stuff.
I say, unless you raised an irresponsible little brat, give them a little credit and don't secretly spy on them.
And if you did, they probably won't let you spy on them without a big fight in the first place.
None of our parents spied on us (I presume) and we all turned out fine.
Anyway, I think super's wife handled it pretty well as can be read in his latest post[^] 
It's keeping an eye out, but not flat out spying.
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You are thinking a bit too narrowly and naively. Do you have kids? My wife and I raised three who grew up to be intelligent, educated, well-adjusted adults who now have children of their own.
I did stupid things as a kid, and was held accountable for them. That is why I did not get into even worse things that would ruin my adult life and the lives of those I love. Setting and enforcing boundaries and rules of behavior, while teaching the teens and pre-teens how to make the right decisions for themselves, seems to be sorely lost on a lot of parents in recent decades.
In a nutshell, it is just lazy parenting, and then making psychobabble excuses for it.
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I don't have kids of my own and don't want them.
MSBassSinger wrote: Setting and enforcing boundaries and rules of behavior, while teaching the teens and pre-teens how to make the right decisions for themselves, seems to be sorely lost on a lot of parents in recent decades.
We do agree on that 
I just don't think spying/stalking is the way to do it
There's spy software so you know what your kids are browsing, which may be appropriate for young children, but really not for teens.
That's what I was thinking about since super asked for "watching her activity" and "checking her phone on the sly".
And to that I say, have some trust!
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Sander Rossel wrote: y would a parent spy on their kids?
Did your parents ever know what you were watching on TV?
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No, I had my own TV in my room.
They also never knew what games I played.
They've seen me play games like Duke Nukem and Hexen when I was like 6 or 7, so I don't think they really cared
Although Duke Nukem scarred me for life... I played LAN with an uncle and he used the god mode to kick my ass. I've had trust issues ever since 
Of course I knew it was just a game, so I didn't go around shooting people in real life (even though my uncle deserved it for cheating against a kid!)
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Sander Rossel wrote: I don't think they really cared
Exactly.
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