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Hi All,
Had an interesting issue a piece of simulation software of our design, used to simulate products we have to interface to which are too big, expensive, heavy to use a real one of in dev. I had sent a message the sim, it hadn't picked it up while the Web mimic said it was displaying the sign wasn't.
This is not the first time I have seen this issue the first time when a member of the dev team came to see it. I obediently followed the steps that led to the fail and it didn't, so now I look even more like the Lemon they think I am...
Bad Words
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Quote: I wonder how
I wonder why
Yesterday you told me 'bout the blue blue sky
And all that I can see is just a yellow lemon tree
I'm turnin' my head up and down
I'm turnin', turnin', turnin', turnin', turnin' around
And all that I can see is just another lemon tree
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Are you quoting song lyrics?
modified 29-Aug-19 10:35am.
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Nope. Never heard it before in my life.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Well, then it must be a Dutch thing I think, we Dutch have many thingies that you don't have
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I did some research and it turns out this song was a major hit in the following countries:
Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland. But strangely enough not in the Netherlands.
Lemon Tree (Fool's Garden song) - Wikipedia[^]
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... can sometimes still be entertaining[^]. I needed something to laugh after enduring Mickeysoft's update terror here at work.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I have a elephenting cracked rib and that hurt. Quit it. 
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I'm sure the poor man will never hear the end of this.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Quote: Well, they'll stone you when you're trying to be so good
They'll stone you just like they said they would
They'll stone you when you're trying to go home
And they'll stone you when you're there all alone
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned
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If you want to do this, the install files require almost 50GB of drive space. Even when compressed (with 7ZIP), the files required FIVE 8gb DVDs!
It seems to me that they're trying to cram 10 pounds of crap into a 5-pound sock. I think it would be more convenient if they created an ISO for the basic Visual Studio, and created additional ISOs for all the crap that not everybody needs, such as game dev, .net core, and cloud dev. There are better ways to distribute this app.
Of course, that's just me.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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The voice of reason speaking
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hah, I downloaded everything for the vs2019 offline install
even though it did install from the offline files it refused to start the install unless there was an internet connection.
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That's only for the community edition I think.
We installed 2019/MSDN yesterday, and it did not require an internet connection.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Just be thankful it's not still distributed on floppy disks.
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I had a good bitch about this when I first downloaded it, not least because it's several thousand files with no indication of how to split them up onto DVDs.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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We tried 7-Zip to compress and put them on DVD's but we had problems (probably the cheap media we used). We decided it was probably better to get a thumb drive or cheap 64gb SSD and put the files uncompressed onto it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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That's what we ended up with. We figured it was safer to install from a thumb drive than risk getting 98% of the way through and have the installer fail because it couldn't find a file that was on the first DVD.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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You've just struck a nerve with this one.
Traditionally, I've always kept installers on my NAS, ready to go at a moment's notice, so I don't have to take the time to find and download something when I need it. If MS pushed out a service pack or a patch for VS, or a newer ISO, I'd get that and leave it sitting on my NAS.
But starting with VS 2017, downloading the latest of "everything" means periodically downloading a few tens of GBs, and then purging whatever files have been replaced. I've found .zip files to be rather impractical to keep everything together (just way too slow), so I've been maintaining a VHD file, acting as a simple file container, just because I don't like to have tens of thousands of small files on my system. Among other things, it keeps the scanning time to a minimum when my anti-virus decides it needs to do a full-disk scan.
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Install it in a VM and keep the VM in your NAS 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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The point of the NAS is to host installer files and not clobber it with anything that's not static. I need to use my VMs, so they don't belong on the NAS.
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I am not telling you to use the VM in your NAS.
I am telling you to have a backup of your fully installed (but still clean) VM in your NAS.
At least that's what I do, as it was an backup image of my system parition. From time to time, I copy it back to PC, install updates, and copy back to external drive.
I have a minimalistic installed OS as base VM and a couple more with different constellations of software.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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In the atomic age even the tinies are exspected to kno all about komputer science. so much so that ks is now on the carikulum along with more trad. subjekts like fr., maths, algy, geog, hist, lat. ect. ect.
this can come as somthing of a shock for the unprepaired espeshally when some mad master sa "yes boy but is it turin komplete?" or "do you think this algyrythm is enpee 2?" and you hav to admit that you arent rely sure.
to help you with this, here is a bit of the molesworth peason giude to komputer science (full edish grabber and grabber 2/6d or postal order to peason entaprises)
1) turin kompleteness
turin is in Italy as any fule kno so we can sa something is turin komplete if it kontain spagetti or it rides a moped.
Fotherington-Thomas sa "no molesworth, it is more komplicated than that" but he is a wet and a weed and sa things like "hello clouds, hello sky" all the time so i will ignore him
2) enpee kompleteness
something is called enpee komplete if it so tuogh that even grabber caren't sort it - grabber may hav a face like a squished tomato but he kno all about komputers and hav a mycrosoft sertified pro in rafia work.
it also hav something to do with traveling napsak salesmen but i could not sta awake thruough that bit chiz, chiz
3) big 0
big 0 is exsactly how komplicated something is. molesworth 2 sa that plaing fairy bells on the skool piano is big 0 log square to the power of a billion zillion but if that is so why carn't the little tick pla any simpler tune - like one that is only 0 log square to the power of a few like twinkle twinkle little star ect.? he is a 1 trick poney and hav no brane and i am embarased to be realted to him. 0 log squared to the power of a gazilion BOOS to molesworth 2.
to be continewed wen i hav lurnt a bit more and am not in deten for tuoghing up the new ticks.
(With apologies to the mighty Mr. Willans).
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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