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So we're planning here for a cloud computing seminar and everyone in my squad (all guys) are already starting to work with promotion, presentation etc. While I'm the only one that still has issues with color scheme used in flyer 
I guess you just can't help your girlish instincts no matter how technical you might pretend to be 
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When I read the title, I was going to tag you here as a counter-argument. 
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Agreed, the title has nothing to do with the body of the post. 
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I guess what she's trying to say is that women worry more about color schemes than about code while the men are already out there coding?
If aesthetics is that important to women you'd except more women to work with CSS though
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The point was simple. The idea of "perfection" is so deeply rooted in female brain that we tend to get stuck onto something that might be so trivial to men (like color combination) until we have that feeling of perfection. I think guys are mostly of type 'just get it done anyway'.
Just an opinion.
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I've met too many programmers who certainly weren't aiming for "perfection"... "burning pile of sh*t" better describes it 
Then again, the only woman I worked with, and who was heavily certified, fell into the burning pile of sh*t camp.
One of her projects cost me a weekend of about 30 hours to rewrite because literally nothing worked.
Another one of her projects caused a lot of production issues, it even deleted data in database columns that weren't even present at the time she wrote it! 
Those were the only two projects she's done for us, which was two too many.
So at least not ALL women strive for perfection
I worked with another woman, but never on the same code base (or even the same language), so all I can tell you is that I "think" she wrote decent code.
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The "perfect" code doesn't exist.
LOL she must be really talented. I bet you can't delete the non-existing columns from database. Just kidding.
Experience speaks louder than words so I think there's no point for me to debate.
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I'm just saying both men and women suck 
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One needs to have good knowledge of human psychology besides being technical to understand the connection. 
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I'm pretty sure the lack of females in CS has nothing to do with flyers or brochures, etc.
Just saying...
With that said, this is starting to change here in the States with more younger females getting into STEM/CS/IT/etc. than ever before.
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Seems to me like you have a lot more in you[^] than worrying about color schemes 
I wish there were more women in IT, would be a nice change from all the testosterone.
I'm afraid we'll need a significant cultural shift before that happens though...
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Sander Rossel wrote: I'm afraid we'll need a significant cultural shift before that happens though...
Yes, but not in the way you may think.
To borrow a quote from a Ferengi: We have no interest in ending patriarchy, because we all hope to become patriarchs ourselves one day.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Interesting, never looked at it that way.
There may be more than that though.
A LOT more women are in healthcare and education than men, neither are a job that strives for "perfection".
In fact, since programming is based on actual logic rather than social rules, I'd figure it's easier to write "perfect" software than it is to do "perfect" healthcare or education.
To me, you'll also need more bravery to tend to people than you need to tend for code.
Code doesn't judge you, scold you, or sue you.
And if you mess up no one dies, probably.
So why are women choosing these professions rather than IT?
I think it has to do with stereotypes.
Women just aren't supposed to do math, science or IT.
They're supposed to take care of the household and the children, hence their career choice involving people, especially children, and care.
Perhaps this even goes as far that men are supposed to earn more money than women (and I guess there are plenty of men who are turned off, or afraid?, of women who make more money than them) so women get lower paying jobs.
And this goes both ways, just like there's a "taboo" on women in IT there's a "taboo" on men in healthcare (male nurses are probably gay and male babysitters are, well, much worse off).
And now we're at a point that when women actually choose IT they get stuck in a classroom where they're the only woman, which can be pretty discomforting.
I think we need to break the stereotypes to see any real change.
Perhaps women need more courage to do so, but it's the problem of society as a whole.
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In my company it's even 50/50. There are two of us and yes, she is in charge of color schemes and design. I have no problem admitting that she has a better sense of style than I do. CSS is magical!
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Their brains are wired differently (not a bad thing, just the way their physiology is).
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It had to come, didn't it? You knew I'd get round to iKettle - The connected kitchen - a new way to start your day Smarter[^]
Yes. It's a kettle. Bit more, so much more. You can turn it on remotely, and monitor how boiled it is. So you can make tea at home while you are in the office!
Well ... no. You can't. You can boil the water, but you have to actually walk to the kitchen and pour the water into something and stand around like a nana trying to find an app that tells you when your tea / coffee is brewed.
So what exactly do you save for your £130? Sod all that I can see ...
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Be in bed, boil water, get out of bed, immediately pour water and make some tea.
No standing around for a few minutes waiting for your water to boil.
They aren't exaggerating when they say "seriously ramp up your daily routine!", SERIOUS business indeed!
This is, without a doubt, the best invention since sliced bread!
May I suggest a new calendar using BiK and AiK (Before and After iKettle)?
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Provided you have iFillTheDamnThing alarms set to remind you to add water before you go to sleep.
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OriginalGriff wrote: iFillTheDamnThing alarms
That's an add-on, you'll have to pay extra 
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Bloody DLC!
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Sander Rossel wrote:
No standing around for a few minutes waiting for your water to boil.
That's what going to the washroom first second thing in the morning is for.
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I thought in Wales you'd just leave it outside, bound to rain sometime during the day (and night). After that you only need to train the cat to drag it inside.
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It took me long enough to teach the cat "Sit!"
And Herself doesn't let him out at night: he has to timeshare his territory with his worst enemy (Cookie from next door), so he gets the morning shift, and she gets the afternoon. That way we all avoid vet bills ...
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Aha, this proves that my decision to revert from a smartphone(*) ( which I had for maybe 3 months ) back to a folding model "old people" phone, yes: with big buttons, was the smart thing to do. I don't need to bother with all this smartphone mumbo jumbo because my perfectly capable "granddad" mobile phone can't deal with it. Hooray for that!
(*) I dumped it because the stupid device, which was running android 6, could not perform its wake up function with any more accuracy better than 0...+5 minutes with respect to the set time. For crying out loud; if you can't do that these days why do you even bother putting the damn thing on the market.
Sometimes I like being an old fart as once in a while it does make perfect sense.
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