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John Torjo9-Nov-15 6:54

John Torjo

9-Nov-15 6:54

it's all back now Big Grin | :-D

Best,
John

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Jochen Arndt9-Nov-15 3:47

Jochen Arndt

9-Nov-15 3:47

I had that problem yesterday and mentioned it in a reply in the Bugs & Suggestions forum. But it worked this morning and is working now too.

phil.o9-Nov-15 3:53

phil.o

9-Nov-15 3:53

Weird

Tested on three computers (IE + FF) => I still have the problem Cry | :((

I never finish anyth

PompeyThree9-Nov-15 3:41

PompeyThree

9-Nov-15 3:41

I've got two of each emoticons - I must have your share Poke tongue | ;-P

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Marc Clifton9-Nov-15 3:43

Marc Clifton

9-Nov-15 3:43

It's you. They're still there on the right side for me. $Shucks | :-\$ Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

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Johnny J.9-Nov-15 3:47

9-Nov-15 3:47

Are you trying to imply that Chris is using Phil and me as guinea pigs? Poke tongue | ;-P

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Jeremy Falcon9-Nov-15 3:46

Jeremy Falcon

9-Nov-15 3:46

I would suspect the page never finished loading.

That being said, you don't want the ones on the right anyway, you want the good ones: Eek! | :eek:

Jeremy Falcon

Chris Maunder9-Nov-15 3:46

9-Nov-15 3:46

Can you please email me what you see at http://www.codeproject.com/script/misc/BrowserCheck.aspx[^]

chris at codeproject.com

cheers
Chris Maunder

Johnny J.9-Nov-15 3:53

9-Nov-15 3:53

Here you go. And HERE[^] is a dump of what it looks like... Smile | :)

User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0
CRC 66365947
Edge False
Gecko True
IE False
Opera False
Safari False
Blink False
WebKit False
Browser Firefox
Platform Type Desktop
Standard True
Display Mode Normal
Version string 0.0
Version 0
Platform Win8.1
Platform Version 6.3
Editable Elements False
Mobile Device False
Small Mobile Device False
Touch Device False
Desktop True
Tablet False
Modern False
Semi-Modern False
Cookies OK? True

Server Web03
Country Sweden
Location Unknown, Sweden
Client IP address: 82.99.4.155 (compact form: 1382220955)

Chris Maunder9-Nov-15 4:05

9-Nov-15 4:05

The short answer is: bad data our end

The long answer is: we sometimes render based on browser. Very old (or mobile browsers) can't handle the functionality of desktop browsers, so simply don't emit certain HTML for them. We could (and should) use a responsive design whereby features are activated vua client-side script, but many moons ago we made the decision to support non-Javascript browsers, and also to be kind to those on low bandwidth.

For the most part we're now sending down everything and rendering what the client can handle, but for some things such as the edit page we're rendering at server side based on client browser.

The issue for us is that the browser definitions we're using, while only a few days old, are still out of date. I'm in the process of switching to a far more robust system.

This hasn't happened in ages. and I'm wondering if it's a sign of Firefox either revving too often or just not being on people's radars (at least the ones maintaining the useragent list we use)

cheers
Chris Maunder

Johnny J.9-Nov-15 4:12

9-Nov-15 4:12

But the strange thing is that I haven't switched browser or done ANYTHING that can affect this, and it has worked pefectly up until today?!?!

chriselst9-Nov-15 4:19

chriselst

9-Nov-15 4:19

I started getting it end of last week (I think), using Firefox.

Think I remember Firefox asking to restart because of an update at some point too, may or may not have been the start of it.

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Jeremy Falcon9-Nov-15 4:33

Jeremy Falcon

9-Nov-15 4:33

If FF was updated, but their browser definitions file wasn't then it can get a bit out of sync.

Jeremy Falcon

Jeremy Falcon9-Nov-15 4:31

Jeremy Falcon

9-Nov-15 4:31

HTML

<!doctype html>
<html lang="en-us">
<head>
    <noscript>You're on Lynx or you have issues. Go away. We don't want non-JavaScript folk around here.</noscript>
</head>
<body>
</body>
</html>

I've started using something along these lines when doing script-based SPAs. I figure this day and age, if they don't have scripts running they deserve what they get.

Jeremy Falcon

Chris Maunder9-Nov-15 4:35

9-Nov-15 4:35

Subtle and understated. I like it.

cheers
Chris Maunder

Johnny J.9-Nov-15 4:36

9-Nov-15 4:36

LOL - hope your employer agrees once he's had a customer on the phone complaining about rude messages... Poke tongue | ;-P

Dan Neely9-Nov-15 4:54

Dan Neely

9-Nov-15 4:54

Is your system just choking because it doesn't know about Firefox V42 yet; or did Mozilla change something more substantive in the user agent string for the newest release?

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Chris Maunder9-Nov-15 4:56

9-Nov-15 4:56

Actually that's the interesting thing: I'm still trying to work that out. It turns out we do have entries for FF42 on Win8.1 / WOW64, but the parser just isn't admitting it.

Applying several hammers.

cheers
Chris Maunder

Dan Neely9-Nov-15 5:01

Dan Neely

9-Nov-15 5:01

Ouch. Sounds like the parser is made of many elephants, tightly clustered together. D'Oh! | :doh:

Chris Maunder9-Nov-15 5:02

9-Nov-15 5:02

I'll have to think about that one.

cheers
Chris Maunder

Chris Maunder9-Nov-15 5:37

9-Nov-15 5:37

How is it now?

cheers
Chris Maunder

Jochen Arndt9-Nov-15 6:08

Jochen Arndt

9-Nov-15 6:08

Still not OK (here and in Q&A): No format options and a link to the emoticons.

It was OK at work where the latest Firefox update has not been installed yet. So it should be definitely FF42 related.

Chris Maunder9-Nov-15 9:46

9-Nov-15 9:46

OK, how about now? (Grabbed a larger hammer)

cheers
Chris Maunder

Jochen Arndt9-Nov-15 10:27

Jochen Arndt

9-Nov-15 10:27

Sorry, still not OK.

If it helps:
FF42 with NoScript on Win 7 Pro 64. But all CP relevant URLs are allowed by NoScript.
However, there might be FF profile settings that are not standard (it is an old profile).

Chris Maunder9-Nov-15 13:06