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Quote: Lounge doors are ooooopen...
All are still sleeeeping
In their beds...
If that did not wake you up, I still remember how to get someone out of bed with the help of this thing.[^] Now, where did I put the crate with the 9mm Parabellum blanks?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Haha, we have a variation on that song: Quote: Stable has broken like the first morning
Blackbird has spoken like the first bug
etc.
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CodeWraith wrote: If that did not wake you up, I still remember how to get someone out of bed with the help of this thing.[^]
I might just wake up singing.
"One, two, Eddy is coming for you"
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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It was the first alert in basic training in the middle of the night. All but one guy were on their feet and grabbing their equipment. He was still sleeping peacefully, so our Sarge just emptied his magazine right next to his bed and let the hot cartridge cases fly into his bed. He woke up all right, but he was not singing. 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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A good thing the local military didn't want my services; doesn't sound like a very safe place.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Safety? That's relative. Did they ever tell you what they will train you for?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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For glory and honor, meaning "cannonfodder".
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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The real problem is that the bad guys, when they come, will not go home because you hid away all tulips, fries and wooden shoes from them. They always find some more reasons to stay.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I've been told they are here to protect us from the Russians.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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CodeWraith wrote: you hid away all tulips, fries and wooden shoes from them.
But they didn't hide the ![Beer | [beer]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I'm shocked that your Sergeant actually wasted an entire magazine of blanks to get someone out of bed. A single blank round, fired close to his ear, would have been more than sufficient.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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If that had been all. At the end there was a public ceremony where we were supposed to swear our oath. My father came in full dress uniform and every decoration and had a nice chat with that sarge about hopefully not having been too easy on us.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Three, Four, better lock your door.  
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Fix It!
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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Continuous updates? 365
One payment? 2019
Which is your choice?
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For private use it is: LibreOffice
At Job, my Boss pays the bill, so I have no Option here
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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0x01AA wrote: LibreOffice
Why do you hate yourself?
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Hey, for the 2 documents I write in a year at home, Libre Office works just fine!
At work we use to be Office based but we got bought and now we're using the Google suite.
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LibreOffice - I hate Word, and am not a fan of the subscription model either. If write a document, I want to be able to read in in five years time ... without buying the software again.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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OriginalGriff wrote: LibreOffice
Oh boy, you hate yourself too!?
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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What can I say? It's not the best looking, it's not the smoothest - but it works.
The best WP was AmiPro / Lotus WordPro, but that died when the MS marketing machine rolled over the top of it and Word became the standard. Well, "this weeks standard" anyway - they changed file format so often that you had to upgrade to share documents with customers.
Word is a pretty bad WP - clumsy, bloated, and awkward - and I hate using it. LibreOffice Word may not be as polished, but it's easier to use for the most part.
Excel however ... the world's greatest spreadsheet. Calc works, but it's nowhere near The Master!
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Agree re Word - it is almost nothing like a word-processor, and after all these years and revisions can still get into such a knot with complex formats that your document becomes unmanageable.
I still buy and use Wordperfect - been my favourite since the days of DOS version 4.2. They still struggle to achieve compatability with Word documents though, because of MS secret sauce that sometimes even the Word devs don't seem to know about! (I've got a doc prepared with an older version of Word here that the latest version cannot open because it uses some feature that Word doesn't support any more - WP opens it though!)
I note Corel trying to move to a subscription model too now, be a great shame if that happens...
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Mike Winiberg wrote: re Word - it is almost nothing like a word-processor, and after all these years and revisions can still get into such a knot with complex formats that your document becomes unmanageable.
If you master styles with Word, and you master the god-awful refloating of images to terrible locations on the page when things change, you can put together a 300 page B&W book with appendices and a multi-level index that looks as good as anything on the shelves.
The index creation was much easier, and flexible than what was available in Serif Pageplus, which was supposed to be a step up, but was far from being so. If you take it a step further, you can create some VBA that will strip the document and output it in plain HTML that is actually clean HTML. In other words, once mastered, it is a monster of a program. (But those floating images were a mess to deal with.)
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Can you hear yourself? 8)
I agree, as a technical, knowledgeable user, it is possible to force Word (and I only chose Word because its the default word processor for many despite the fact that it is almost entirely unsuited to that task) to produce good quality output.
But how does the average user, screaming at their screen because all their bulleted lists from some arbitrary point onwards suddenly have a different indent level, or their tables don't line up with their text, make it do this?
I'm in a debate elsewhere inspired by this article: Software disenchantment @ tonsky.me[^] about how complexity and pursuit of the latest shiny thing has blinded both devs and users to the simple fact that much high-tech stuff is either unreliable, inefficient or simply bad at doing the things it was intended to do despite years of hardware and software 'progress'. This is because the users' requirements are not even part of the equation of much modern development, and the users are complicit in this!
We devs are also complicit - always wanting to use the latest 'framework' because it will solve all these problems, even though getting it installed and working takes days because the dependencies are not properly documented, some of the libraries are not up-to-date, our core language modules or browsers do not have some essential but omitted from the docs package installed etc etc. And even once it's working it needs the latest version of IoS or Android, thus making it unusable for billions of existing phone owners etc.
Mind you, it can go the other way: GDS (UK government digital service) have achieved a tremendous technical feat in amalgamating and making stylistically consistent many Government websites - however, they have in many cases entirely lost sight of why those sites exist and how they are used, leaving behind beautiful, easy to read websites where it is not obvious how to get to where you need to be when you are trying to achieve a particular task (eg paying your taxes), or containing basic noob mistakes in forms that were considered passe 20 years ago (eg not allowing spaces in credit card numbers but rejecting the number rather than silently ignoring the spaces, but only when you've reached the end of the form and submitted it). Yet you can bet the sites pass all the tests, because the sites are written to the tests, not to how real users actually use the pages.
I'm not trying to be rude here, but your reply illustrates the problem exactly!
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