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OriginalGriff wrote: prescriptions are all free
Only 'cause English taxes pay for them.
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And Welsh taxes.
The Welsh NHS tries to prioritise patients, rather than external company profits...hence why there aren't any car parking fees at Welsh hospitals either.
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OriginalGriff wrote: The Welsh NHS tries to prioritise patients, rather than external company profits...hence why there aren't any car parking fees at Welsh hospitals either.
So, essentially, you might be paying more then someone else but you don't know that.  Consequently you have less money available for other services (if government's health budget is limited and you spend 10 units on one service, you have 10 units less to spend on other services).
Last but not least - trying to make a profit does not make a services more expensive. If that would be the case then we would all buy only at communist shops which would be full of high quality and cheap goods. Cause they would be "non-profit", like "more interested in feeding the hungry and world peace then profits", etc. In reality profits are a motor of innovation and improvement.
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I'd agree - except in the case of outsourcing from any government, where it tends to go to cronies of the ruling party, who are there purely for the short term profit and have no concern for the "clients".
But this is getting political, which doesn't belong in the Lounge...
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Also, they expire every 12 months, which I think is a scam. Surely it would be effective for longer than that? 
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Nish Nishant wrote: they expire every 12 months, which I think is a scam.
Are you willing to bet your life on that.....
Just asking?
Ken
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If an expert lab can look into this and officially release a statement that it can certainly be used for say 24 months, I probably will.
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Not necessarily - epinephrine is volatile, and degrades pretty quickly: particularly when it gets too warm. The 12 months limit is probably half the actual usability under "good" storage conditions, but to be effective in the hands of all users it needs to be kept shorter for safety.
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It's probably cheaper in the UK because we use Adrenaline! 
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Well, they don't let you refill the medicine - if they did, that'd solve this problem.
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Not really true if you include the taxes and premiums they have to pay to fund their medical system.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
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Someone has to pay for it.
Jeremy Falcon
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I wonder if they make pill-shaped yachts. 
Jeremy Falcon
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That's what we pay taxes for.
This space for rent
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What a concept.
Jeremy Falcon
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: That's what we pay taxes for.
Exactly.
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Twood be interesting to know what the NHS actually pays. We have the PBS system in Oz that is similar, the cost to the PBS is not transparent.
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RAH
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Frankly, this sort of thing should be criminal. $300 for a single EpiPen is just ridiculous. I get that drug companies pay billions in research costs, and that they need to recoup that somehow. But the EpiPen has been around more than long enough to have paid itself off. They should be sold practically at cost now.
The FDA and FTC need to start regulating these prices. Drug companies should be required to submit all of their budget documentation for R&D, and the cost of the drug should then be calculated based upon projected market size and a standard number of years (say 5 or 10) to recoup the costs. Past that, there should be a cap on profitability, say 10-15% above material and production/distribution costs.
No-one should be getting rich from helping people...
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Kyle Moyer wrote: No-one should be getting rich from helping people...
So are you saying that only bad people should be allowed to get rich?
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Haha, I'm not saying they shouldn't get to live comfortably, but when you see how much the executives get paid... That's just crazy.
There's an old saying I can't remember precisely, but it basically says that helping people should be its own reward (ie, feeling good about doing good.) Of course, everyone's gotta eat, but being able to eat Filet Mignon and Lobster for dinner every night just because you run a company that helps people with heart disease live longer lives is ridiculous.
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I agree the increase is egregious but part of that increase (not all but still a non-trivial amount) is the cost of meeting FDA and FTC reporting requirements and stuff like that so you are saying the solution is MORE government intrusion and paperwork?
NO, I'm not for laissez-faire, willy nilly capitialism but do we really need more regulation?
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MarkTJohnson wrote: I agree the increase is egregious but part of that increase (not all but still a non-trivial amount) is the cost of meeting FDA and FTC reporting requirements and stuff like that
Hmm. Yeah, seems I failed to consider that part. You've a fair point.
I'm just another one of those guys on the outside looking in, seeing a problem, but not seeing all the facets. Makes you wonder if reducing FDA and FTC involvement would help more or less than what I originally proposed... Something needs to be done, but it's admittedly above my pay-grade to come up with the best solution. I can spit-ball with the best of them though!
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Almost fell out of my chair, a reasoned rationale response.
Thank you.
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Over here a quick googling gives me $88 for a two pack.
I'll never stop wondering why you want to keep your corrupt health care system.
You'd better answer that in the soapbox though. 
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