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modified 19-Feb-18 12:33pm.
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I'll bet you a banana that we'll still prefer text over visuals in 20 years 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Particularly as I could be blind by then. 
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I have found that such tools address only the simplest tasks anyway -- the developers went after only the "low hanging fruit", when you don't need a tool to do those things to begin with!
We need tools that help with the difficult tasks. Instead they take the easy things and make them simple -- "hey, we saved 90%" -- while not helping with the difficult tasks and actually making the difficult even more difficult to do in that framework/tool.
And this still smells spammy to me.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: "hey, we saved 90%"
Hence the old planning adage "The first 90% takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes the other 90% of the time"
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Quote: I have found that such tools address only the simplest tasks anyway
Basically, that's only correct in some specific cases. However, when talking about products such as the blueprints system of unreal engine, things become totally different.
In this VIDEO, you can see how one person made an advanced video game that is now seen as the most awaited RPG game in 2018- not mention that it is, seriously, free of any single line of code. It is pure blueprints.
Quote: We need tools that help with the difficult tasks. Instead they take the easy things and make them simple -- "hey, we saved 90%" -- while not helping with the difficult tasks and actually making the difficult even more difficult to do in that framework/tool.
You are perfectly correct. We need sophisticated tools that help us with the difficult tasks. That's why tools such as visual scripting environments do exist.
The project that I mentioned above, which is 100% blueprints( no single line of codes) has been adopted by a game development studio, and they continued working on the project using blueprints only.
Here is the game after the adoption (still, no line of code):
Lost Soul Aside PSX2017 Demo Full Gameplay - YouTube[^]
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It makes me think of people that builds homepages in Word.
The code created is utterly horrible.
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In a lot of ways using a visual scripting editor is not too far removed from high level scripting and programming languages.
It's really just another abstraction and most of the decent ones will behave in the following manner:
(1) I start with the visual designer.
(2) I then manually refactor or extend the code created by the designer.
(3) I use visual designer again to add a high level function/module.
(4) I go back to manually extending the code created by the visual designer at (3).
If at point (4) I discover that the tool has refactored all my changes from (2) then it's a fail with regards to the visual designer as far as I am concerned.
A decent visual designer will not refactor my code at (3).
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Like Windows Workflow Foundation (WF) [^].
At first I was contrary because there is ALWAYS the need or reason to do things flexibly... experience taught me that it's still fundamental in about 30 to 40% of the cases and that having an easy, graphical, standard even if not flexible tool to quickly prototype functionalities and sequences can improve the productivity a lot.
Think of the AI patterns of videogames, or massive online games with transactions and interactions between weapons, AI, effects, powers, passive abilities, resources and currencies all spread between millions of clients and a plethora of servers located across the world. A single bugfix, done only textually, could take weeks - if given a scalable way to prototype most actions with a 1:1 relationship between prototype and code it could take HOURS.
I believe Digital Extremes uses an approach like this, as they are able to churn out an update a week and 3-4 hotfixes in hours - and most of their talk is about mechanics of the game.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Scientists create first human-sheep hybrids
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Quote: Someone has been a naughty boy!
Yes - they've been reading "science" stories in the Daily Mail again...
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By Mia De Graaf Health Editor
Emphasis mine, I'm probably just prejudiced.
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Old news, the Welsh have been doing this for ages.
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Yeah, we learned it from the Australians.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: Yeah, we learned it from the AustraliansNew Zealander.
Corrected that for you! 
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because the aussies prefer rams - less confusing and has handles
Signature ready for installation. Please Reboot now.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Yeah, we learned it from the Australians.
Puhlease! You got castles and houses that pre-date Australian settlement and sheep farms by a 1000+ years. If anything you lot exported it around the world.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Slightly OT: can you identify with this tune?
Quote: It's a source of some amusement
That the craft of self-abusement
Was invented, so it's thought,
By the Greeks and the Westphalians;
Perfected by Australians;
Developed by the Welsh to a competitive sport.
More to the point, can you find a way to prove that you've identified it without mentioning the (non-KSS) title? 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Pale monarch took ones depression for Rugby song? (7, 4, 5, 4)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Indeed.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Looks like the rednecks have finally gotten the upper hand.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Chris is now Canadianized to the point where gotten probably does not bother him. He may also have stopped migrating to Australia during the winter months.
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No, he's still bothered by it, but he has come to realize that it's a no-win situation for him, and I'm happy to press that button at every opportunity.
If I didn't like him, I wouldn't mess with him.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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