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11-Jul-20 1:57

Long story short:

August 2016 - Purchase Lumia 640
August 2018 - Purchase replacement battery as the original spontaneously got swollen
Today - Woke up to a swollen battery again

If I'm doing it wrong, I'd love to know what it is.

When the phone isn't in my pockets, it's sitting in a dock (and recharging) - that's what happened last time...but right now - it was fine last evening, it spent the night in my pockets and I found it in this state just a few minutes ago.

I'm more than willing to give the phone manufacturer a pass, just like no car manufacturer makes its own batteries...but I'm still less than impressed.

Honestly, do I have unrealistic expectations?

OriginalGriff11-Jul-20 2:05

11-Jul-20 2:05

dandy72 wrote:
If I'm doing it wrong, I'd love to know what it is.

Running Windows mobile?

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dandy7211-Jul-20 5:02

11-Jul-20 5:02

Lumia 640, so...yeah.

Don't get me started on the alternatives. It was fully supported and got updates for far longer than any of the Android tablets I have (which are all freeze and crash-prone even shortly after factory resets). My dad's phone is running Android 9, and it frequently has to be rebooted (or else things stop working randomly). This is the still best they can do?

And I refuse to give Apple any money.

The remaining options are...underwhelming.

OriginalGriff11-Jul-20 5:42

11-Jul-20 5:42

I have a Huawei P30 Lite (Android) which replaced my Moto-G (Android) and they've both been fine.
The P30 in particular updates itself - politely - by asking if you want to do it now, or leave it, in which case is "between 2AM and 4AM Ok with you?"
I don't think I've had to turn it off or reboot it yet, and I've had it a while. The Moto-G was the same in that respect.
But ... My Nexus 7 had to be forced back to a previous OS version because it slugged it to death.

Android is a pretty good phone OS - better than iOS, certainly, and probably better than Win 8 / 8.1 / 10. I wouldn't want to run Win10 on anything with a 16cm screen - I get enough finger trouble on my Surface! Laugh | :laugh:

dandy7211-Jul-20 6:49

11-Jul-20 6:49

OriginalGriff wrote:
Android is a pretty good phone OS - better than iOS, certainly, and probably better than Win 8 / 8.1 / 10.

I have 4 Android tablets. I feel like I'd be a fool to get "one more, in case that one works better". They all remind me of Windows 3.1 in terms of how unstable it is - completely freezing, random reboots, having to reboot because things become unresponsive, etc. Android has always left me thinking we went back 25 years in terms of reliability. And like I said, my dad's phone, running Android 9 (the phone with the most recent version of the OS I've tinkered with) still needs to be rebooted regularly, or else you the screen becomes unresponsive when people call and you're trying to answer...

Ravi Bhavnani11-Jul-20 3:20

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11-Jul-20 3:20

Is the charger faulty? That is, is it not trickle charging but over charging instead? You may also want to measure the charger's output voltage and current to ensure that it's within spec.

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OriginalGriff11-Jul-20 4:05

11-Jul-20 4:05

That gets horrible complicated - modern chargers negotiate with the power management circuits in the phone as to the power and voltage they will accept at any moment (from 3.3V to 20V in the case of Qualcomm Quick Charge 4 and above, 3.3V to 12V below that.)

So metering the charger probably isn't a useful option - it'll depend on the result of negotiation, and we mere mortals aren't necessarily going to know what is "expected" anymore. Some chargers even use pulse charging, so you'd need a scope to work out what kind of voltage is being applied anyway!

dandy7211-Jul-20 4:58

11-Jul-20 4:58

Who knows...? I let it charge itself through the dock, and if not, then a regular USB cable coming from the hub hooked up to my main system.

Jörgen Andersson11-Jul-20 8:21

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11-Jul-20 8:21

Like Richard says, you're probably overcharging it.
Swelling happens if the (lithium) battery is kept near or over maximum voltage for a prolonged time.

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Single Step Debugger11-Jul-20 3:24

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11-Jul-20 3:24

Have you tried to put a little Lidocaine on the swollen part?

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Greg Utas11-Jul-20 3:36

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11-Jul-20 3:36

...or taking away its Viagra?

modified 11-Jul-20 9:43am.

Richard Andrew x6411-Jul-20 6:58

Richard Andrew x64

11-Jul-20 6:58

It's most likely that you're overcharging it.

Same thing with laptop batteries. You're not supposed to leave them connected perpetually to the charger.

The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.

dandy7211-Jul-20 17:12

11-Jul-20 17:12

I've had laptops plugged in for their entire lifetime. Never had this problem with a laptop battery.

You'd think in this day and age, with all the battery management being added to the hardware, "overcharging" should no longer be an issue.

Richard Andrew x6412-Jul-20 5:23

Richard Andrew x64

12-Jul-20 5:23

You've never had this problem with a laptop battery. I assume you mean a swollen battery.

But do you know for a fact that the battery did not lose capacity? Or suffer other damage?

The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.

dandy7213-Jul-20 3:02

13-Jul-20 3:02

Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
You've never had this problem with a laptop battery. I assume you mean a swollen battery.

Correct.

Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
But do you know for a fact that the battery did not lose capacity? Or suffer other damage?

I've never had a laptop battery that got deformed to the point where it no longer fit and had to be replaced. Beyond that - I have laptops that are 10+ years old, why would I even expect them not to have lost capacity, due simply to age?

Daniel Pfeffer12-Jul-20 5:33

Daniel Pfeffer

12-Jul-20 5:33

dandy72 wrote:
I've had laptops plugged in for their entire lifetime. Never had this problem with a laptop battery.

It's happened to me twice with the same laptop (a Dell Latitude). Apparently, according to IT at work, this is a frequent occurrence (when you are managing ~1,000 laptops).

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dandy7213-Jul-20 3:06

13-Jul-20 3:06

So in my statistical analysis with a sample of one Smile | :)

I've had a failure rate of...100%. Twice. For the same phone.

I've owned/used maybe 10 laptops in my lifetime, total, and not a single one of them ever failed in that way. Granted it's still a tiny sample amount, but those still remain the facts as they are.

Marc Clifton11-Jul-20 11:03

Marc Clifton

11-Jul-20 11:03

dandy72 wrote:
If I'm doing it wrong, I'd love to know what it is.

Have you checked the battery's gender? Wink | ;)

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HellsHarlot11-Jul-20 2:05

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11-Jul-20 2:05

Do any of you subscribe to office 365, and if so, do you find it's actually good value for money? Yes I know it comes with a terabyte of cloud storage, but I'm wondering if anyone actually uses Office 365 or uses altenatives like Libre/Open Office and some other cloud storage solution. Thoughts?

OriginalGriff11-Jul-20 2:06

11-Jul-20 2:06

Please don't repost if the first doesn't appear - I deleted the spare for you once I let them through moderation.

HellsHarlot11-Jul-20 3:26

HellsHarlot

11-Jul-20 3:26

Thank you. I had realised I'd posted it twice.

Ron Anders11-Jul-20 3:08

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11-Jul-20 3:08

I don't do subscription software.

Ever.

Sander Rossel11-Jul-20 4:04

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11-Jul-20 4:04

Why not?

You probably have a phone, television and internet subscription and you wouldn't think twice about it.
What makes software that much different?

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honey the codewitch11-Jul-20 4:52

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11-Jul-20 4:52

I don't because there's typically very little value to it.

I bought FL Studio - lifetime free updates. That is the best case scenario

Standard scenario - pay money for a solid version, pay if you need to upgrade

Almost Worst case scenario - be forced to pay periodically - mainly because the company has to keep updating their software to fix security holes they introduced.

Worst case scenario: It's pay-to-play and only available online

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