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I'd be getting airpods, and any bluetooth headphones will work.
I guess my question is: has anyone gone into this thinking it would be an utter PITA and come out wondering what all the fuss was about. Or, did they go into it thinking it would be OK but there were all these "ah, I didn't think about that" issues.
I really just wish the iPhone was USB-C.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: and any bluetooth headphones will work.
Yes, but not as well, sound quality over A2DP sucks. And while Apt-X is ok-ish, it's of course not supported by Apple. Since it wasn't invented by them.
Apple uses lowish bitrate AAC which is better than A2DP but still inferior to Apt-x.
Personally I'm having a pair of Sennheiser Momentum, which was a compromise on a few parameters. (comfort came out as the winner, had I gone for sound I would've chosen Bowers&Wilkins P7)
They support Apt-x but I'm actually using them with the cable most of the time, since the sound get's so much clearer and less compressed.
But if you're getting earpods this whole discussion on sound quality is moot.
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I'm getting these:
ATH-DSR7BT
for christmas, they probably won't need a cable to sound awesome.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Oh bugger, I wish these had been around when I bought mine. 
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My main problem with going jackless is that I now have two sets of things to charge: The phone, and teh earbuds/headphones. They never seem to be in synch, so I am always recharging things over night, whether they need it or not. The headphones I use at work (Bose) can go for several days, but the little earbuds (also Bose) may not last the day.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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I found it funny that it started out with an ad for the windows phone. Even Bill gave up on that and went android.
(Not that I minded mine, other than MS could never manage to actually fix a bug).
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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(disclaimer, I still have an iPhone 6)
I've been using it with an Senheiser HD1 for a few months now with good results. (edit: I've had bluetooth connection pre-iOS 11, but now everything's nice)
It's not the smallest or cheapest wireless in-ear headphones, but it has pretty good battery life (which is my main requirements with any electronics) and the sound "profile" fits my hearing.
I don't have any particular problem with iOS 11 on my iPhone 6; I don't have the need right now to upgrade, and I will be waiting for the iPhoneX reviews and decide if an iPhone 8 or X will be the next one.
I'd rather be phishing!
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I hear you can get a Windows Phone pretty cheap these days! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Did you?
I already bought my Lumia 640 about a year ago, unlocked, $120, with taxes, and delivered at my door. The only Lumias I can still find today are way more expensive, now that MS has pretty much made it official they weren't putting more money into it.
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dandy72 wrote: Did you?
Yep, I got about the same deal you mentioned...took the last Lumia they had. It works just fine for me...and I don't have to answer any iQuestions or fix any iProblems from the wife and entire rest of iFamily.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Recently?
All I can find right now is overpriced. I wouldn't mind a spare.
It's really a recurring pattern for me - I bought my first-ever Zune when MS pulled the plug on it and the local stores were trying to get rid of their inventory.
However long ago that was - I don't remember. But the silly thing is still going strong, and I use it daily to listen to podcasts. I'm surprised even the battery has lasted this long. Any iThing would've broken long ago if it would've been dropped on a hardwood floor or concrete patio as often as my Zune has.
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dandy72 wrote: Recently?
No, back in February so 8 months ago. I know for certain that it was the last one in stock at the store I visited. The salesman kept asking me if I was sure I wanted a WinPhone.
I was sad to find that it had half of the memory of my old Lumia...then I found out this model has an expansion slot and added a 64GB card! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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@chris-maunder, I've used wired and wireless with my Apple iPhone 5, 5s, 6s Plus and 7s Plus.
iOS 11 is *clearly* optimized for iPhone 8.
I confidently conclude iOS 11 is purposely degraded for iPhones less than v8. My SpecBench marks validate this. I'm in the process of writing some further code tests to validate and publish my results.
The larger Dre Beats are great for "office", drowns out office noise.
AirPods are great for 'on the go'.
The problem with wireless, just like yer phone, is keeping track of keepin' 'em charged. I'd invest in the damned lightening to 2.5" audio jack converter, but ya can't charge yer damned iPhone with that devil of an adapter plugged in.
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MacSpudster wrote: I confidently conclude iOS 11 is purposely degraded for iPhones less than v8
Dave and I had exactly this conversation today. I'd love to see your findings (as would the media at large)
MacSpudster wrote: keeping track of keepin' 'em charged
Yep. I'd be using the pods for calls when I need to charge the phone, or for when I'm driving and don't want to go on speakerphone. Not too often but often enough in situations where I definitely need the phone being charged at the same time (eg GPS running in car, or long days on the phone that kills the battery)
cheers
Chris Maunder
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My findings thus far are proving me opposite. 
The firmware (and hardware) in iPhone 8 & X, at my first code run, is more 'optimized' for iOS 11 than firmware for earlier iPhones, which is valid/reasonable.
And, really, this is true of any Mac, iPod, iPad, iPhone and its corresponding OS going back decades, of which I can attest given I've been involved in validating the Golden Master release of MacOS and/or the initial PowerMacs once upon a time back in my Apple dayz...
That, and Mac clones like StarMax & Power Computing validate this as well with all the engineering problems they had with the ROM (firmware), especially keeping up with the latest Mac OS. Macintosh clone - Wikipedia[^]
Yet, the older geezer-ish-ness in me isn't liking that, in 2000, I'd buy a cellphone for $79 ~ $129 and it'd last 4+ years, and now its $1200 (iPhone X) for about 18-22 months. 
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MacSpudster wrote: The firmware (and hardware) in iPhone 8 & X, at my first code run, is more 'optimized' for iOS 11 than firmware for earlier iPhones
That makes sense, but if iOS 11 is slower than 10 then it goes against Apple saying it's faster than iOS 10. They may be accurate, but only on iPhone 8+, which means they are lying by omission.
And seriously: if we started suing tech companies for lying by omission then (a) the world would be a more accurate place, and (b) there'd be no tech companies left.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: there'd be no tech companies left
A tempting state of affairs...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Chris Maunder wrote: so I've been thinking about moving up to a (relatively) cheap 7
...aaaand that's how they keep winning this dirty game.
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I think Apple is going to go the way of Walmart. Sam Walton made Walmart great and it made it was it was (at first). Excellent customer service and cheap prices. He died. It went to crap. I've always been an Apple fan boy, but the main driver behind Apple's innovations is now no longer with us. It's only a matter of time, they can only coast on the coattails of Steve Job's brilliance for so long.
Jeremy Falcon
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Ummm... before ditching the iPhone 6. Have you tried using iTunes to back it up, resetting to "factory" and restoring from back-up?
My iPhone 7 handled the iOS 11 update fine but my iPad Air got a little wonky. Not as bad as you're describing but wonky none the less. After the backup, reset, restore she is right as rain.
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I did that over the weekend and it's definitely improved things. Not perfect, but way better.
You're a legend - thank you!
cheers
Chris Maunder
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My question would be - what does Wozniak make of this move?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Woz is happy with his 8 which he says is the same as the 7 which he says is the same as the 6. He won't be upgrading to the X anytime soon.
He's right and wrong about the 8, though. Wireless charging is a much needed (and late) feature that's finally nice to have. Also the 7 is waterproof (again, important and late to the party) whereas the 6 isn't.
I personally think Steve his spinning in his grave about the notch in the X. A silly unnecessary compromise.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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All I have to say is WTF???
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