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Best wishes of health and happiness for your dad and your families.
kmoorevs wrote: but I don't want to take over your post.
No worries. You're free to vent as much as you want/need to.
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Well that certainly sucks * on a massive scale, especially since he didn't smoke.
My condolences to you & your family. I'm sure I have nothing to say that will make it any easier, just hang in there.
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I'm just sitting here waiting (possibly two days) for reply on my Apple Dev acct so I thought I'd write this up.
Android
I signed up for a Google Dev acct (Android) and it took about 5 minutes to get set up @ cost of $25USD.
I then had to set up all the details of my app so I could put it in the Play Store.
All told it probably took about 45 minutes for the work on my part to get my app in the store.
However, the account sign up only took the 5 minutes I mentioned and then it only took about 30 minutes for a reply on my app (it requires very few access rights). That's amazing though. My app was in the Google Play store within 30 minutes. This is my first Android app ever. Wow.
Contrast that too...
Apple
I have a friend who is helping me and he has an LLC that I've placed my work under.
In the Android world, I just add the name of the company and everything is good.
IN the Apple world, they force you to submit for a D-U-N-S number.
That took over 4 weeks to get back.
Since I was attempting to add my dev account under the official company, I waited 4 weeks.
So yesterday I went in and completed the sign up on Apple (after 4 weeks with the DUNS number).
I paid ($99USD) with his company credit card. The payment went through (they take your money with no problem).
And then I got an email stating that I had to upload my picture ID.
I had to upload a passport, driver's license, etc.
That really felt odd. I had to take a picture of it and upload it. Weird.
I did that and I got a reply.
"We will contact you within the next 2 days."
So I'm just sitting here waiting. In this world of automation! 
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AFAIK putting an app on Windows Phone is worse still as it requires a standard testing procedure which may take a week before they reply and tell you that it didn't pass, fix rinse and repeat.
And there is no way to test the app on an actual phone without passing through the store.
Thne one wonders why there are no WP apps...
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Wow. I was wondering about that process also.
Thanks for sharing.
den2k88 wrote: Thne one wonders why there are no WP apps.
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den2k88 wrote: And there is no way to test the app on an actual phone without passing through the store.
Don't believe the FUD. I haven't gone through the process myself, but I believe MS calls it side-loading. All the options to enable it are right there in the Settings sections - no need to find some third-party to hack your own phone to root it.
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dandy72 wrote: no need to find some third-party to hack your own phone to root it.
Which means you need to own a Windows Phone.
And there are only about a couple of dozen people who can say that ...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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dev2k88 was claiming:
there is no way to test the app on an actual phone without passing through the store
...which I was refuting. And you followed that with:
Which means you need to own a Windows Phone
So I'm confused. Are you saying the need to own a physical device in order to test on a physical device is a problem? How does that "problem" not also apply to Apple or Google? I don't see anyone offering free iPhones or Android phones.
And there are only about a couple of dozen people who can say that
All joking aside, that's not really a problem for testing, is it? They're not hard to find. Right now I'm seeing the Lumia 640 on Amazon.com for USD$69.99. And the 640XL for the same price. Fully unlocked. No contract, yours to own.
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I have few apps published on Windows Store and I had no such problems. You can put your app on your phone through VS (if you set phone in dev mode) and test it on real hardware. If everything is all right app should be published within hours. I remember having some issues regarding the paperwork for taxes or something like that, but that's another matter...
(Node: this is my experience for WP8, I'm not sure how things are with W10, but I doubt they are much different)
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I have to agree with you, Mladen Janković.
I have the same app published for Android, iOS, WP8, and W10 (UWP) in the respective stores. I don't understand the concern with the Windows Store; the process was pretty straight-forward and not the horror story everyone warns of. We used off-site testers for all platforms and there were zero issues with getting the beta release loaded on their Windows devices. Publishing the Windows versions of the app was also a simple process.
By FAR, the most cumbersome and time-consuming to test and publish was the iOS platform, although Apple's recent efforts to shorten the app review time has really helped. My first iOS app took a week and a half to get through review. This latest one took about two days (minus the shipping time to send them the custom BLE peripheral it works with).
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den2k88 wrote: And there is no way to test the app on an actual phone without passing through the store.
Yes there is. There is a test app that you can download and run your app through it. It's tells you if your app meets Windows Store standards.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Sounds like one company takes their security seriously despite the "I want it all right now!" culture.. 
I came into this game for the action, the excitement. Go anywhere, travel light, get in, get out, wherever there's trouble, a man alone. Now they got the whole country sectioned off, you can't make a move without a form.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Sounds like one company takes their security seriously despite the "I want it all right now!" culture.
That is the challenge.
This could be angled as Apple protecting you much more from nefarious software so I can agree with that.
....
But, I still want it NOW!!!!
I need Internet-Time response, which means it is done before I ask!!!
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raddevus wrote: But, I still want it NOW!!!!
The DUNS thing is a real pain.. I'd never heard of it until I applied for my Apple Developer account and it seemed to take ages to be delivered.
That process could be seriously improved to give most people their details online. I don't remember having to upload personal ID's though, maybe that's something new?
I came into this game for the action, the excitement. Go anywhere, travel light, get in, get out, wherever there's trouble, a man alone. Now they got the whole country sectioned off, you can't make a move without a form.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: I don't remember having to upload personal ID's though, maybe that's something new?
I had to check the URL a few times because it felt so wrong.
It was an apple URL in my apple dev account and it was secured with SSL so I guess it was real. 
It really felt quite intrusive.
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I disagree. None of the things he has had to do for Apple so far say anything about the security or quality of the app that he is wanting to submit to the store, which in the end, is all that actually matters.
It has mostly just been time-wasting hoops that they are making him jump through.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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The differences in the levels of malware apps between the stores indicates that they're potentially doing something right. Making sure the developer is who he says he is seems sensible (although painfully slow).
I came into this game for the action, the excitement. Go anywhere, travel light, get in, get out, wherever there's trouble, a man alone. Now they got the whole country sectioned off, you can't make a move without a form.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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It might just be a trick to slow app submissions, or a filter to remove those that are half-hearted about delivering an app. Either way, sounds like a pain.
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Huh? I am an iOS developer and have never been asked for a "DUNS number" (whatever that is)
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Alright then 
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That seems backwards.
If you work for an established company we'll run you though the ringer.... but if you're an independent (meaning I potentially work out of my garage creating hacks), then hey, no problem!! You're in!!
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Going through it myself as my Dad was diagnosed 9 months ago and is just through the first stage of chemo...but I don't want to take over your post...same thing though, never smoked, no family history of it.
