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CDP1802 wrote: Why change anything
Because we can.
More ... bigger ... faster ... better..... 
Ken
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A while ago when I still had Windows 3.1, a friend came with his copy of Windows 3.11. He really forced me to install it and insisted that everything was sooo much better. I did not see a thing.
Never change a running system unless you have a very good reason. Marketing blah blah is not a reason for anything. Computers actually age well. They can work for decades and don't get slower. Even the workmanship used to be better, so what do I need bigger, faster, better for if the old machine was and still is up to the task?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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All true, but you did catch me with the Win 3.1 and 3.11. Now if you insisted on 8" floppies, I might have an argument for that....
Ken 
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RTek23 wrote: Seen this....
Yeah, seen this a few weeks ago in fact. Though I'll be damned if I can find it right now. But it was definitely in the lounge...
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In that case, apologies for the Leslie.
Ken
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Made me all nostalgic all over again for a C64.
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Fried corn ball with nothing in it for breakfast (5,4)
If PeejayAdams ever spoke about himself in the third person, I would not vote for PeejayAdams.
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If it was (4,5), I'd say hush puppy.
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Bacon Roll
Anagram of corn ball with an 'o' (nothing) added.
Andy B
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We have a winner!
If PeejayAdams ever spoke about himself in the third person, I would not vote for PeejayAdams.
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Do you have any recommended strategies for a junior developer when attempting to learn a large new codebase? One of my goals is to make some commits on something like ASP.NET MVC (.NET Core now), Entity Framework, Node.js, or some other major project on GitHub.
Not surprisingly however, when I open the project file for these, it can be tough trying to figure out where to even start. Of course I can view the issues and try my hand at solving one, but I found that even that often requires a general idea of the project's moving parts.
Do you have any suggestions or resources on breaking down a big project like this to bite-sized chunks that can be learned over time in hopes of a serious contribution?
One strategy I've tried is looking at the classes that I am familiar with from using the software and also looking at the unit tests to get an idea of whats happening.
Thanks.
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If you are lucky to work at a company that has decent documentation practices, read the project documents. To get an overall idea of what a project is about read the specification document. Then read the code description, if there is one. Also, try to follow the flow charts. These are standard documents in medical device design and manufacturing.
If you are into database or web design, good luck! 
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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S Houghtelin wrote: read the project documents
...while keeping in mind that the actual product probably deviates substantially from the original documentation.
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dandy72 wrote: ..while keeping in mind that the actual product probably deviates substantially from the original documentation.
Hence the "If you are lucky to work at a company that has decent documentation practices."
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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I think it takes more than "decent documentation practices" just to ensure documentation is kept up to date, unfortunately.
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I've been at this for 40 years and have yet to find a company that had more than completely minimal documentation at a level that could help a developer. It has always been a learn-as-you-go process. Most developers do NOT document their work.
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In the medical device industry if we do not have documentation, you will not be able to sell your device. It is a requirement and for good reason. Would you want to be on the operating table being monitored by devices with software of unknown provenance?
"Most developers do NOT document their work." and we wonder why the quality of the software out there sucks. That's called winging it and in my opinion it is unprofessional and if a developer is unable or unwilling to maintain at least some level of documentation I would not be inclined to hire them or to keep them in my employ.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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That's certainly good to know. I wasn't talking about end-user documentation, though, I was talking about the documentation that would help a developer. I wonder if the code behind those medical devices is documented any better than what I've seen in a dozen or so other industries?
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We have to comply with GMP, UL, ISO, FDA, CE and EU standards among others. We are required to have our documentation internally and externally reviewed and accepted by the regulatory bodies. Every aspect of the product needs to go through risk and hazard analysis and QA tested using the very documents the software developer wrote. If the software and document do not match, it needs to be corrected and retested. This doesn't mean bugs can't get through, but certainly the obvious glaring stuff rarely does.
This is why it takes forever and a massive amount of $₤€ to get a new product out.
End user documentation is also very regulated, but thankfully I don't have to deal with that aspect.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Good to hear, and also makes a lot of sense. Most of the organizations I worked with were not producing software that could wind up being "life critical" like that. Glad to hear that someone does it.
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S Houghtelin wrote: In the medical device industry if we do not have documentation, you will not be able to sell your device
S Houghtelin wrote: "Most developers do NOT document their work." and we wonder why the quality of the software out there sucks
The only way comparing the software industry with the medical device industry could be fair is if software was priced to match said medical devices.
Don't blame developers for not documenting their code. That decision is not made by them.
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Sadly this is very true. When there is a clock ticking down the profit margins, documentation is usually the first casualty.
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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The sad part in all the comments on this topic is that not one suggested writing some documentation for the project. Documentation is always someone else's responsibility.
Two years ago I was handed 100KLOC of undocumented but production critical cowboy code. Programmer who wrote it was adamant that "the code is self documenting". It wasn't. It took 18 months to document it to the point where it could be maintained...barely. If you REALLY want to contribute to a project, write something other than code.
"Everyone complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it."
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Documentation can be self documenting as well. The amount of times I despair when I see a summary of a method which basically repeats the method name.
Code should be simple and self explanatory as to the implementation. If it isn't then it probably needs to be refactored. A method can explain its function in its name, no need to repeat it (as an example I saw the documentation to an attribute "rtpHeaderExpected" as "expects an rtp header").
Documentation is useful when it explains the why of code, not the what (which is what the code should explain). So yes to documentation, but only when its useful !
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