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Since I changed the inkjet to a laser, I don't have labels - until I get round to buying laser labels, of course.
So I spent yesterday writing an app to print my Card list to envelopes (I wrote a label version last year, but this is a different problem: orientation, single address per page, you know the kind of thing).
So I write it properly: to accept envelopes in any of the four rotations for the flap end, logo and sender address, really sweet - once I'd got my head round Graphics.RotateTransform, and shifting the origin in the appropriate direct and amount. That took a while.
And it worked excellently in Print preview.
So this morning I ran a test on a "dummy envelope" to make sure I'd aligned it all correctly. Perfect. Ran it using the live DB to the printer, and loaded envelopes.
And the first one jams. Badly. The print path doesn't like envelopes, they get caught in the outfeed and rip. 
So all that work is wasted, And I had to hand write them all. Which admittedly took a lot less time that writing the app, but ... 
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OriginalGriff wrote: So all that work is wasted, And I had to hand write them all. Which admittedly took a lot less time that writing the app, but ...
So you bought some nice dead trees with ink on it, bought some stamps, they get displayed for 4 or 5 days, and then they go into the trash-can.
Sounds wastefull anyway 
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Well, I print the cards myself, but yes - that's the general idea.
Herself wishes it done, therefore I obey. If I know what is good for me ... 
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So, you already decorated the dead tree with some balls and lights like you were told?
You know that (dead) tree is originally a symbol of fertility? 
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The tree was never alive: I don't want to hoover the needles up each day!
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ah, so 'er indoors has got you by the ...
oh wait, your balls on the tree
hmmm?!?
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Ah. An unmarried. I see. 
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lol, sorry but I'm mwk, but long time no Christmas deco nor card follies.
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Luckily I never tried to print envelopes with my Samsung laserprinter 
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5 letter solution: EMAIL
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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It's a five letter solution, yes: DEATH
This is the punishment for disobedience, I understand.
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For such stuff I usually
- print 8 addresses per A4 sheet
- Scissors
- Paper glue
- Send
Ofc then I lack smooth envelopes
When in a more fancy mood I
- go to the printers
- Print on very thick paper almost cardboard
- Make them fold it
- Address on the outside, invite on the inside
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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You know they make label sheets for laser printers, too, right? 
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Yes, but I haven't ordered any yet, and they won't arrive until after the last Posting date Herself will accept. I'll get some in the new year...
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or there's excel, a normal sheet of paper, a pair of scissors and a roll of sticky tape. (I mean either way it's printed).
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Don't forget the value of learning something new. (printing envelopes leads to frustration!)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I did! I learned it's a whole load easier to cheat and print text into a bitmap and then rotate it than to work out what origin relocation factors you need when you use RotateTransform. But then I threw it away as a kludge and did it properly.
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Meh,
Step 1) Print them on a regular sheet of paper.
Step 2) Carve them out with knife.
Step 3) Clear packing tape to affix address label to envelope.
Same process for handling the return address.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Another old printer story: Philips is a lesser known printer manufacturer. First time I saw a Philips printer was when we started selling one with our office automation software and our own machines. This printer was unique in that it used powder like a laser printer, but didn't fuse it to the paper by heat, but by pressure. The paper was fed between two polished steel rolls, forced together with high force. One important sales point was that you could use any preprinted, multicolor letterhead or whatever: The colors would not be affected, since no heat was used.
Yet one of our customers got really upset after the printer was installed: Trusting that colors would survive, they had had printed lots of business letter paper, not only with a colorful company logo, but on a really distinguished paper quality with a structured surface (somewhat resembling proper watercolor paper). When the sheets came out from the steel rollers, the nice structured surface was rolled so flat that it was shining. All that structured high-class appearance had vanished. (Even plain copying paper got more shiny after being through the high pressure rollers.)
The customer complained to us, insisting that we pay at least part of the extra expenses for that fancy paper, but I believe our managament flatly rejected it. Maybe the customer then turned to Philips to complain. In any case: This is the only printer model I ever saw using pressure fusing. Maybe they had lots of customers complaining about too shiny printouts.
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Well - I can help you with one problem:
Address the envelopes . . . . . . . by . . . . . . . hand !
If there's too many to do then you're sending too many cards.
Q.E.D.
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Well, I guess I could start culling the herd of Herself's family ... 
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Given custody of corroded talking tree? (9)
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Entrusted.
ENT - talking Tolkein tree thingy, + RUSTED = corroded.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Is absolutely spot on, old chap! 
You are up tomorrow.
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Sorry all stuck in meeting will try and post one later - unless OG wants to do one
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