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It's looking like I'll be starting a new job in the next month or so. I'll finally be done with Qlikview, but I'll be moving to something only slightly better - web development. The upside is that the work is, in fact, development, and will be done in C#, but I'm not yet sure when dev stack they're using.
I *think* they're using .Net 3.5 whatever version of MVC was in favor at the time, but I'm not really sure yet.
I'll be the dev lead, so I can make command decisions about updating the stack. Since I'm not really into web development, what's the latest stable "thing" right now?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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MVC 5 is fine. I recently updated one of the projects at work from 3.5 to 5.
The result is nice.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'll be the dev lead,
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Since I'm not really into web development
Glad I'm not on that team. Since you'll be leading something you aren't familiar with are you sure you weren't promoted to Manager? 
I believe Microsoft's recommendation for new projects today is to use the latest ASP.Net MVC packages.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Specifically asp.Net core... and maybe the still experimental Blazor
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Jacquers wrote: maybe the still experimental Blazor
I'd be very hesitant about employing anything officially labeled experimental in a production level product...
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Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
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Agreed, but I think its a technology to keep an eye on.
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011111100010 wrote: are you sure you weren't promoted to Manager?
Hey! No need to get insulting? What will come next? Accountant? Lawyer? Politician?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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It's not like I'm completely unfamiliar with web development. I've done legacy ASP (which sucked big hairy donkey balls compared to), ASP.Net (which sucked big hairy donkey balls compared to) MVC3, MVC4, MVC5, with some PHP, and even a straight-up jquery app. Just because I despise the stateless nature of the web and the typeless nature of the devil spawn we know as jquery (and all its dozens of equally evil "frameworks"), doesn't mean I can't do the work, or that I don't recognize the practicality of web development for zero-cost app deployment. Might I remind you that I don't like Qlikview either, but I still do it (admittedly with a copious amount of verbal gnashing of teeth).
Furthermore, given my somewhat comparative lack of familiarity with the stack means I'm not going to come in and just take over and impose my own warped sensibilities on the team. It'll probably take me a week or two of browsing the code before I make any suggestions or code changes. I'll also rely heavily on the current team members regarding the "lay of the land" in the code, infrastructure, and processes.
As a reminder, I wrote this article (way back in 2008). I think the advice is applicable to team leads as well as "just programmers".
Being a Programmer[^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Sounds like you are very experienced in web development. I probably misunderstood your original post.
And what's wrong with jQuery? I love jQuery. You can do some awesome stuff with it. And it simplifies writing JavaScript a lot.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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The Being a Programmer post should be required reading in every CS101 class.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I despise the stateless nature of the web and the typeless nature of the devil spawn we know as jquery
Someone enlighten me: Is TypeScript useful at all with jQuery? That might take care of that problem.
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Congratulations? Trading in your Tony Lamas and your Stetson? I would have suspected you of being a seaman. The Horizon[^] looks like a good ship.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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My push in general is for WebAPI2/ReST endpoints with browser-based functionality, formerly leveraging Angular but now looking at alternatives, like Vue.js. I'm half tempted to say "screw these frameworks" and roll my own in vanilla, but then I realized that's exactly why there are so many frameworks now.
I've been trying to push for a microservice architecture for a bit, though, and that's a hard slog in some federal circles.
It also works a lot better on the thin clients that we're seeing all over the place.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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ASP.NET Core Razor Pages all the way to the bank....don't give MVC a second look 
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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Go for micro-services leading to a react front end. No idea what any of that means but it's what the hip kids are all talking about.
Best Practices for Building a Microservice Architecture | Vinay Sahni[^]
Some light reading to head you in the right direction.
I like react (toolset) but others prefer angular (framework) for the presentation layer. It's all (kinda) javascript and is a learning curve. We use pluralsight subscriptions to educate and inform and youtube is your friend.
A very simplistic view - you'd need to flesh that out but it is the way to go, especially micro-services.
Someone else mentioned the new razor pages - they also look pretty exciting.
Enjoy!
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer.
The End
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When I read that pile of crap I am so glad I work in the Kernel and embedded! 
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Simply don't have enough disk space on the C drive to download the updates! 
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Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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...or do not access the internet on a fast enough connection ...
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By a strange coincidence: Don't Hit Save - Metered[^]
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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OriginalGriff wrote: By a strange coincidence:
So true, so sad.
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Install Linux? 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Install Linux?
I still need full .NET support. Core is getting close, and looking good. But then again, there's the whole UI thing too. 
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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My old Win7 installation has been crying for years now. I never activated it. As far as I can tell, I'm being punished by being denied access to updates, not allowing a desktop background image and shaming me (yawn) by writing 'unregistered' into the corners of the desktop.
This way I was spared from Win8, Win10 or any other junk. When Win7 finally outlives its usefulness one day, I will kiss Mickeysoft goodbye.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Run Linux? 
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