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Quote: Paintshop Pro 10
OMG, the last image editor I liked using. Photoshop's better nowadays, but the for the most part, the UI was legacy sh*t. Not PSP, use it since version 2.0 I believe 
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It was indeed absolutely brilliant and I clung on to it for years, until it's lack of Aero support made using it for manuals / screenshots a PITA and I had to switch to X8. 
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Kinda makes me want to make a PSP-like image editor on UWP.
Oh god, I remembered just now, I registered my (Pirate!) copy of PSP with Jasc. Then, the Jasc spam came in snail mail. The 90's were weird.
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You registered a pirate copy of something that cost about £10 (if my memory serves correctly)? 
Weird times indeed!
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I was 12, give me a break :P
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Even at the age of twelve: You registered a pirate copy of something? 
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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"register" and "pirate" were but concepts at that age. Besides, were I was from, piracy was the norm. Hell, my cousins had games life "Flashback", which required the photocopied manual as an anti-piracy feature.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Have you installed Java or just about any product from Oracle lately?
LOL! +5 LP (Laugh-Points). 
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BillWoodruff wrote: like that abomination called 'DataGridView
I've use the DevExpress grid control professionally and love it. I was reminded again last week about the well-termed abomination of the DataGridView when I was writing a configuration UI for a silly little app that I'm writing an article about, and don't want to tie the reader to a 3rd party requirement. We hates it!
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Marc Clifton wrote: I was reminded again last week about the well-termed abomination of the DataGridView when I was writing a configuration UI for a silly little app that I'm writing an article about, and don't want to tie the reader to a 3rd party requirement. We hates it!
Have you tried CListCtrl?
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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raddevus wrote: It's a good point and we often do that trade-off here when we want to do some list/grid view type of data.
The bad thing is that DataGridView makes some things so easy (laziness rules!) like the way you can set the datasource to a dataset and forget about it. Or, well, you can forget about good functionality and nice UI too, but laziness rules!!!.
Then you go to use the ListView and you can make it look so nice but it so much work.   
Laziness rules!!!
It was actually an old In-Joke from years ago on CP, I'm sure Marc remembers it and knew I was being facetious. I can't actually rememeber what the story was behind the joke.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I'd say that any superfluous dependency is an abomination; the DGV is well documented, has a good performance, and simply works. It is a huge leap forward from the FlexiGrid of VB6 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I was going to respond similarly...now I don't have to! Well said! 
I try my best to stay away from third-party libraries.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: I try my best to stay away from third-party libraries.
DevExpress (and I'm sure the others) are incredible. You'll never go back to the standard WinForm / WPF controls once you start using them. And besides, you're missing out on all the hair pulling, teeth gnashing complexity of their object models, and the constant googling "how do I do this simple thing?"
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Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Marc Clifton wrote: And besides, you're missing out on all the hair pulling, teeth gnashing complexity of their object models
I dropped Infragistics for Telerik because of the complexity of the object model - yet another of my brilliant choices (Silverlight being the other one).
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: It is a huge leap forward from the FlexiGrid of VB6
That may be, but having to click to select the row, then click to select the cell, then click to pull down the dropdown of combobox grid item, well, that's an abomination in my book.
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Marc Clifton wrote: That may be, but having to click to select the row, then click to select the cell, then click to pull down the dropdown of combobox grid item, well, that's an abomination in my book.
That's the developers choice; AFAIK, one click is enough to select, the second one puts it in edit-mode.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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See the red text at the top of the page, where it says no progr...
Oh. Wait.
Carry on.
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BillWoodruff wrote: Okay, what puzzles me is that I never seem to hear anything about what a developer who creates apps with rich visual interfaces involving complex controls ... does.
They cut hair. And they work for the NFL.
[EDIT]
He cuts hair. And he works for the NFL.
[END EDIT]
modified 25-Oct-18 15:23pm.
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Fantastic post.
You raise a lot a really great questions here.
Very interested in how this will all play out and how well (or unwell ) Microsoft handles it.
Will they just kill technologies like they have in the past?
Will it take far too many years to finally get UWP and Core working properly so that it is adopted happily by devs?
We will see.
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Here's a crazy idea: How about getting a elephanting reporting tool in ASP.NET Core before you force everyone off older technologies?
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UWP has been on Dotnet Core sense last fall. The newness is WinForms and WPF.
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I found it useful to create my apps in Xamarin Forms. I can make UWP apps as easy as iOS and Android. With a careful division of code, a MacOS C# app can use the libraries.
I have also found it easier, in the long run, to have two UI formats, one for phones and one for laptop/tablets.
Al I can say is that it works for me. The only missing part for me is that Microsoft is dilly dallying on a XAML designer.
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