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Dominic Burford wrote: I remember when doing my own degree (many years ago) we were taught these basic skills (using a Borland C++ IDE). Is this vital skill no longer being taught to new graduates?
Schools will provide nothing beyond what they promise in the curriculum, the rest is left for the student to research in their free time. Which hardly anyone does, ofc.
Hard to find a decent school that's worth what it is asking.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Remins me of a few years when I was working with a couple of EE engieers, 50% self-taught in programming, and I had to help them out debugging a lot of software. I impressed them a lot, pinpointing problems quite rapidly, and the they frequently asked me, like,
- How did you know how to set the breakpoint exactly there?
- I don't know... Well, it turned out well, didn't it?
- What made you look at that variable, just when it went crazy?
- Good as any, but when it changed, it put us on the track, didn't it?
I couldn't explain even to myself what were good breakpoint position, values to trace or whatever. It is just an instinct. You can't expect everybody to have that instinct.
Nowadays I have nobody looking over my shoulder, getting impressed. But if I did, I would have a hard time explaining my hows and whys of debugging. I didn't really learn it from anyone, it just came by experience. It came early to me, most of it during my studies. Maybe today's development environments do not give you the same kind of learning experiences as those we had when we submitted code batches on punched cards to the computer center. In my case, that ended after my freshman year, but even with interactive terminals, we retained this idea of the program residing down in our semi-unconciousness. as a breeding ground for whatever instinctive ideas about how to debug the programs.
I don't think today's students "internalize" the programs nearly as much as we did when I was that age.
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You miss 100%[^] 
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Said the sniper's wife ? 
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Quiet study in fur can be distributed (10)
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PROCESSING?
I doubt it, but it starts with "P" ("Pianissimo", or "Softly" in music) and can be distributed.
Just a wild guess as it's getting close to "Revert to previous setter" (i.e. me) time anyway ...
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Maybe Processable ( sable being the fur bit ) ? I don't like it though
Edit
Forget it it's too many letters
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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pkfox wrote: Edit
Forget it it's too many letters
Damn! I was thinking "Sable makes sense, but where does ROCES come in?"
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OK, if it's not "PROCESSING", then we surrender and I'm up tomorrow ...
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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No idea - I agree it should begin with a P ( but you know what he's like ) quiet study could possibly be preference
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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S ABLE (fur)
P (quiet)
READ (study)
SPREADABLE (can be distributed)
Have fun tomorrow! 
modified 13-May-19 8:42am.
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Doh, I got Sable and Pread but didn't piece them together 
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Sounds familiar... 
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You need to select the version control to use when you create the project. You can't change it later by switching providers in Visual Studio.
This is for Azure DevOps, but a local TFS install should be similar:
Create a project - Azure DevOps | Microsoft Docs[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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um why not?
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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Because that's the way TFS works.
If you want to know why it works that way, you'd need to ask Microsoft. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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So I posted a question on the Microsoft developer forums asking how to replace EF with our own ADO class in my MVC5 app. (we only use EF for the Identity stuff, and we use our ADO class for everything else. I want to remove EF completely and replace it with our ADO class.
I got a response from someone who felt I needed a lesson regarding separation of cncernes and the MVC design pattern. He did this without answering my question.
What an ass...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I thought MS forums are closed in favor to SO...
(You should ask in QA - there are a lot of nice people there)
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Oooo! If he does, can I post a link to the MS forums?
Can I? Can I? Pleeeeeeeeessse? 
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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When mentioning 'nice people' I didn't meant you!
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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That was brutal!
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Depends - did he mean he was not nice or wasn't a people?
Makes all the difference in the world.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: did he mean he was not nice or wasn't a people?
Et tu, Brutus?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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