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Predictor of vulnerable employees, is he a psycholotic?
I personally have only one rule: If you are competent and do your job and don't play office politics too much, we will get along nicely, otherwise it's war.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Urban Cricket wrote: Predictor
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| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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None of your business, butthead.
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yes sure some people are like that all of the time, but sometimes everybody does that.
Classic example is road rage:
- yes there are the perpetual assholes ... always trying to save those precious seconds, always have to be first ... to the next red light.
- but sometimes even the most laid back will have their road rage moments, not every time, not every day, but once in a while there will be that moment when they want to stop grandpa getting in front, or annoyed at some small near-ish [not really, missed by a mile] incident...
Have you never once been annoyed at someone else on the road going just a wee bit too slow or too close (but nothing actually happened), heck you can get that walking on the footpath or in the supermarket, and looking back what did it really cost you apart from the raised blood pressure?
Good days, bad days, days you're just not into it, days when everything went smooth, days you would like to have over, days you will cherish for years.
We all have them.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: And, of course, the chronic liars
W∴ Balboos wrote: This could probably be contorted into a survey question, but meanwhile, any comments (or more interestingly, examples!) ? Even those of you who claim you're described in the preceding paragraph
I don't think that the results of your survey would be particularly meaningful. By their very nature, the contributions from the chronic liars would not be valid; but you would not know which ones thet were as they'd lie about being liars.
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Misunderstandings:
1) Liars are on the list of expendables, not deliberate survey targets.
2) What in the world would make you think the results of (any) survey are ever valid?
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In my 38 year career as a programmer, I've had people I liked (and didn't), people I respected (and didn't). I've always managed to be sufficiently professional to deal with all of them, even though at times it was like gargling with broken glass.
Of course, there's always that one exception.
"BK" decided that I was a moron, since I worked on a different product line from him. Every time I dealt with him he would lie, misdirect, or ignore the question. When I finally recognized what was going on, I stopped talking to him: in person, in meetings, via e-mail, anything. I simply acted as if he didn't exist. He eventually 'retired' early, when they tried to reassign him to another product and he did absolutely nothing fox six months.
This is the first and only person in my career whom I have actively hated. Even the people who were frustrating, less than bright, or just lazy could be dealt with. Not only would I throw this guy under the bus, I'd be driving it.
The final piss-in-your-oatmeal of this story is, due to a succession of "workforce adjustments", I am now the maintainer of BK's product. See my post A couple of entries from the Codex Vomitus[^] in the Weird and the Wonderful for details.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Except there's been more than one, I, too, use the ignore-their-existence method to whatever extent possible. One is a current fellow employee (used to be a friend) that betrayed trust - to perhaps earn a brownie point or two. The other, in the current environment, is a contractor and his cronies - who are singularly uncooperative (and crappy programmers, as well). In their case, actually, I'll occasionally say things to remind them that the in-house developers do it right, know what their up to . . . and will have no trouble tearing up their meal ticket. On the other hand, they do make us look good!
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I did have one case of a sub-contractor who was spying on us, as they were a competitor on other USAF contracts. The guy became quite arrogant and indignant one Monday morning when he discovered his system administrator privileges had been revoked, and there were access control lists on everything. I didn't dislike the guy, he was pretty sharp. I just didn't approve of his lack of ethics.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Ethics.
Something I mentioned here, to some company bigshots:
they should be very thankful and especially nice to the developers whom they know to have ethics.
The havoc we could cause, including taking into account backups, is enormous. We're not like a cashier or teller: we hold the logical keys to their kingdom.
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Not only would I throw this guy under the bus, I'd be driving it.
How would you throw him under the bus that you are driving? 
Cheers,
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"We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread 
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Carefully, how else? 
Software Zen: delete this;
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Lower him/her gently by a rope around their neck?
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I live in a resort town where the are tons of transient drunks individuals and few of us permanent residence who stay home at night. As I get older, perhaps it is because of my surroundings, perhaps not, but my tolerence of others is ever shrinking. Which I try to keep in check because they all have a right to be here and are probably nice people.
I like to come here and enjoy the intelligent banter. Feels like the old home place.
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Ron Anders wrote: but my tolerence of others is ever shrinking.
perhaps a consequence of the epidemic of ignorance that has been inflicted upon embraced by the phone-toting text-junkies?
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Perhaps. Seems more like a mental institution somewhere went under and let everyone go.
Then I remember grandpa Simpson's antics and hang my head. Crazy thing getting old - er.
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Ron Anders wrote: Crazy thing getting old - er.
If you have any GOOD options, I'm willing to listen.
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I am generally interested in getting along with everyone, but if someone simply doesn't want to get along (be it a chronic liar or the "I am right and if you expect me to prove that with facts, I'll just yell at you"), I'll ignore said person.
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I will leave this new way of thinking for you that I came up with a couple months ago and based on a many thing.
Enjoy your life and avoid harm to other.
*most every word is subjective
requires continued learning to know what harm to one individual is a pleasure to another.
***and so on
**'your life' could be you or your family/master/king/parent/child...
Doing good to other I think only leads to harming your self for doing good to all is unending.
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maze3 wrote: Doing good to other I think only leads to harming your self for doing good to all is unending.
Doing Good - that is enough. And why quantify how much?
Your philosophy, I fear, is a bit broken: malforming into virtual black-and-white what you, yourself, recognize as gray.
Here's an easier philosophy for life that perhaps usurps the others:
So long as you are keeping score you can't help but lose.
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Best compliment I ever got was this. "He's an a**hole, but he's a fair a**hole."
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milo-xml wrote: Best compliment I ever got
Which naturally begs the questions:
1 - what served as a compliment prior to this?
2 - There is the ass-hole part still to be considered.
Still - I suppose customs are different in other parts of the country. So don't take the questions, above, as too judgemental . . .
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It was from a co-worker I didn't get along with. It means to me that I can be fair even to someone that I don't see eye to eye with. I do my best not to be hypocritical.
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First I must mention, why would you not include the Chronic Idiots? The Chronic Idiots are the first, and most important not to get along with. Granted that goes without saying, but now you have offended them. 
I think this depends heavily on definitions, particularly how you define getting along. If getting along with people means being nice to them and treating them fairly as possible, than I really do believe that you should try to get along with everyone. If it means not tolerating their crap, calling them out when needed and not letting them slack off, than yeah you won't be getting along with everyone.
My current job aside, I usually like everybody I work with, and usually develop several lasting friendships at each job. There are always people who, for one reason or another, I actively avoid but when I have worked in a good job they are usually limited. If I was forced to deal with them, I would be as patient as possible with them, but it would be like nails grinding on a chalkboard the whole time. In general, would be highly tiring and trying all at once and I would not like doing it often.
My current job, however, is very different. I highly dislike my boss. He was a medium level programmer, with a fair amount of skill, promoted to management who never should have been. He is a horrible leader, a horrible manager and a worse boss. In his current position he quite literally has no redeeming qualities. He has started to stack the department with only people he likes and has known in other jobs, passes all the good assignments to them, and has begun to develop a cult of personality following him that neither challenges his bad decisions, or would be willing to even speak up. And the list of really bad decisions, well, that list is gigantic and some of those have cost a significant amount of money lost. Currently, I don't get along with him or anybody he has brought along.
That being said an obvious question comes to mind, why would I continue to work there. A long story short, I usually decide to change jobs every three to five years depending on projects, future and a lot of other factors. As an example, I had one job that the project manager left right after a big project and for the next 9 months we couldn't hold a project manager and had no work. I get really bored with nothing to do, even though I was still getting paid. I have never had a truly horrible boss till my current one though, and I was considering finding other work his first week, but I wanted to make sure it wasn't me that was the problem. It could be I had the personality issue so I stuck with it until currently, I am hunting for work now, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't the one that my coworkers couldn't get along with. Turns out it is him and his people. The others in the department that were there before him, except one, are all looking for work. In this current situation, I have to literally not talk because he will berate me and shoot every idea down. I find that I have absolutely no reason to get along with anyone. I usually keep my mouth shut, but I find if somebody floats a truly idiotic idea, I am much more likely to hammer it and expose the idiocy.
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