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FTFY
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back in the day...i used to give the candidate a paper (since it became a meme on the net)
Print every number between 1 and 100, However for numbers that are multiples of 3 print "Fizz" and for numbers that are multiples of five print "Buzz." For numbers that are multiples of both 3 and 5 print "FizzBuzz".
and later if anyone who actually got the job could understand the complicated sh*t like why objects needed version control and why the code was so f***ed up... they would just walk out... else the management would think they are just staring at the screen all day doing nothing when they embark on a project and later fire them to save some money and scrap the project.. its like dilbert...
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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abmv wrote: Print every number between 1 and 100, However for numbers that are multiples of 3 print "Fizz" and for numbers that are multiples of five print "Buzz." For numbers that are multiples of both 3 and 5 print "FizzBuzz".
I've written a version of that as a batch file.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I think the problem is that recruiters are expected to filter candidates. If they let too many unqualified ones through the screening process, they catch flak for wasting the company's time. So they end up rejecting qualified ones, in which case nobody knows.
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There is some truth to this. Companies handing recruiters boilerplate job descriptions and candidates who do everything they can to fill up 7 pages of buzzwords and listing every piece of tech they may have ever come across or had to read about in their past jobs. What could possibly go wrong?!
I love the pre-screening rating questionaires.. "On a scale of 1 to 5 how familiar are you with...?" Pretty good chance I'm "familiar" with just about all of these technologies/concepts listed by nature of the industry. Have I actually used or know how to apply said technology or concept??? That's not what was asked. 
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You too eh?
super wrote: He replied saying googling for syntax or any reference is not acceptable for Engineer/Developers.
If he sees such as cheating, is using Intellisense in the IDE allowed, or should you turn that off too? 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I would do that. What more than a simple text editor, MASM and the command shell do you need? I would even enjoy watching the little PHP and JavaScriptors stare at the screen in disbelief and terror. 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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vi ? memories!
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Mordor![^]
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I'm glad I clickd on the link at home, They don't need to see me mosh at Work!!!
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: If he sees such as cheating, is using Intellisense in the IDE allowed, or should you turn that off too?
Fantastic point!!!
I'm putting that on my resume:
Resume: "I don't use intellisense in any IDE because it is such a cheat. I've memorized the syntax and all methods for all libraries in the entire Windows API and all other known libraries (think JS here)"
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You shouldn't be able to compile either. Just checkin, and then get a green light or red light from the CI/Tests that run after checkin. Seeing the compile error or failed test info is cheating. /sarcasm.
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Some recruiter out there is prolly taking notes now, and thinking that this might just be a novel idea
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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What do you expect? If recruiters knew what we knew, then they wouldn't be recruiters, they would do the job themselves.
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I used to work for a company whose initials were "GIS". As a result I constantly got GIS opportunities offered to me. Although one day I might like to get into GIS (I am an amateur cartographer) I have no actual experience with those systems. That apparently didn't matter since I clearly had "GIS" on my CV so I must be good at it! 
I updated my CV to spell out the name in full but even now, twelve years later, I still get the odd GIS job coming up. 
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I know two really good recruiters who actually enjoy helping people (I knew three, but one quit).
They connected on LinkedIn, regularly give me a call to ask me how I'm doing and what I'm doing (a bit of market research I guess).
We always have a nice chat, they clearly read my LinkedIn page in some detail, and they never offer me a job if I'm not asking for it.
So recently I started my own company and I told them I'd consider employment if the company was really good.
One of those guys actually said that when he heard me talk it would be good to try my own company for a while.
He still sent me an opportunity for the first time since I know him, which is years, because he actually thought the company was really nice for me.
So I went over there to talk and it was a really nice company, but I still decided not to work there.
The other one said he couldn't help me if I didn't want to go back to being employed, but a friend of his could help me with freelance jobs, so he introduced me.
One of them has an event planned for next week which I'll be visiting.
I've talked to the other one about talking at one of his events myself.
If I ever need employees I'd go to them.
The keyword here, which most recruiters seem to lack, is simply personal interest and effort.
In fact, if anyone in the Netherlands is looking for a new job I'd recommend one of these two guys (send me an email if you're interested, I can't openly advertise them on CP  ).
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Sander Rossel wrote: In fact, if anyone in the Netherlands is looking for a new job
How about in Germany?
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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Nein!
I think they do mostly our big cities (Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht, probably Eindhoven as well, maybe Amsterdam).
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super wrote: He replied saying googling for syntax or any reference is not acceptable for Engineer/Developers.
To me it's pretty simple: If they're going to block Google from you for everyday work, then you probably don't want to work for them anyway.
[Edit]
...and if they're not blocking Google for work, why would it be fair to block it during some random interview exercise?
modified 9-Oct-19 10:54am.
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Bjarne Stroustrup wrote: "The standard library saves programmers from having to reinvent the wheel"
Yeah, true. Except when the "standard wheel" is wobbly and poorly constructed or is broken and/or inefficient.
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Haha, yeah. 
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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To paraphrase a previous comment of mine, Google remembers so we don't have to.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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