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I mentioned earlier this week in some message thread here somewhere in the lounge that it's been a while I've blown the dust out of the NUC sitting on my desk...and that while initially it was whisper quiet, nowadays it took very little CPU activity to get the fan running at full speed and stay there. Sensor readouts, if they're to be believed, held steady at 80+ Celsius, and I literally couldn't hold it in my hand because it was just too hot.
After months of putting up with that, I finally took the time this morning to take the cover off and blow the dust out of it. There didn't seem like much, but it's making all the difference in the world...it's now been a few hours, cores are holding steady at ~50-55 Celsius, and I still haven't heard the fan kick in even once.
So even though it should be common sense, here's a friendly reminder: Do your devices a favor, and take the time to periodically blow that dust out, even though you might think the exterior looks fine.
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Something strange happened to me today.
My laptop got up and blew the dust off of me!
Reminded me that I should get up once in a while 
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/ravi
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Damn right - it was my dust bunny NAS that started it, I think.
It you don't have a compressor, use a hoover with a thin tube and suck the crap out.
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Nah, I might every couple of years, when I move.
Moving is a great way to clean.
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"Blow that dust out."
Been drilling concrete?
(because you got to blow the dust out before you can use the hole! )
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I had the same problem. Blew the dust. Now the fan never runs. My window AC did a rapid cycle. Cleaned the filter. Cooler and no short cycles. So, check your AC filters, too.
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In the 90s I started a company called DeDusters, we would go through an office open the desktop machine and blow the dust out. Some of them had 2cm of dust and fluff layered on top of the boards.
It eventually folded as I could not get enough semi skilled workers to service the contracts I had.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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It's been hot and our personal server has been restarting twice in as many weeks and the fans running on medium high always. So I took it outside Saturday and blew the dust out of it also and not she's running quiet again.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: Some of them had 2cm of dust and fluff layered on top of the boards.
I once came across a desktop (not mine) that had a such a thick layer of dust on the inside that I managed to lift it from the motherboard in one go like it was a sheet laid on top of it. The owner was a smoker, and the tar kinda glued the dust particles together. And the smell... 
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Did 2 of my machines in May.
Something peeps should consider is the storage inside a box. Hard drives like to be kept below 50c to run reliably. For a target temp, I try to keep the drives in my care, in the 30c range. Doing this will add years of reliability to any drive.
Most people tend to think of things in terms of temperature maximums. And that the thermal junction maximum is the limit, not thinking of what they may damage along the way. Liquid cooling should be explored where practical. Even in servers if you have the space. My 8 core 6900K I7 never sees 50c. It always runs from 25c - 45c in performance mode, due to a decent liquid cooler. I've even "lapped" a CPU lid in the past to buy about 8 degrees Celsius, on my old 3900K rig.
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I've given some thought to liquid cooling on and off for years. I've always built my own systems, and I've heard horror stories about liquid cooling not done right. So I've always hesitated. Maybe for once I'd need to pay someone to do it and guarantee his work.
My current VM host has a noisy fan (but still the quietest available for my case, according to the vendor), and it's variable speed, so it doesn't "blend into background noise" like a constant noise otherwise would. I had to put it in another room and keep the door closed so I don't hear it. How's liquid cooling, in terms of noise? I'm told water pumps can get noisy, which wouldn't help me...
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Much quieter in my case, running higher end workstations with beefy graphics cards that are never short of some fan noise. lol
There are some decent closed loop systems out there (I favor Corsair's H115i series). The main thing is to make sure your case can accommodate the radiator. Other than mounting the radiator itself, its no harder to deal with than a standard "tower" cooler.
Get some some good thermal transfer compound (I like Arctic Cooling's MX-4), clean the lid and new cooler surface well, then "tin" each surface with the compound. Use very thin amount of compound to fill the microscopic bumps and valleys. I like to drag an old laminated card across them, while pressing downward and scraping away excess. Then put a small amount on the CPU lid before final mounting. Mount the radiator drawing air through it to the outside of the case. Anything north of 4 cores in I7+ territory should be on liquid IMNSHO. Also favor a larger tower with both airspace and room for a few aux fans for air transfer. Also keeping the ambient room temp around 75 or below at low humidity will also help a ton.
With the right setup and quality hardware + environment, your systems should run over a decade. My last rig, the "lapped" 3900k was built at the end of 2010, and is still running strong. On the server front, I have hand built servers in the field that have been re-assigned (some retired) at 18-20 years old. Still running on the same spinning disks I put into them when Windows 2000 Server was a new thing.
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I received an update notice from Installshield latest version (2019 R2) , and they start talking about MSIX.
From Microsoft:
"...MSIX is the Windows app package format that provides a modern packaging experience to all Windows apps. The MSIX package format preserves the functionality of existing app packages and/or install files in addition to enabling new, modern packaging and deployment features to Win32, WPF, and WinForm apps..."
"...Take your existing desktop application and add modern experiences for Windows 10 users. Then, achieve greater reach across international markets by distributing it through the Microsoft Store. You can monetize your application in much simpler ways by leveraging features built right into the Store. Of course, you don't have to use the Store. Feel free to use your existing channels...."
I have no clue about those "modern experiences for windows 10 users" they are talking aboot.
How is this different from MSI (packaged in a setup.exe) ?
Is this relevant for normal/regular/boring Windows Desktop application installations packages (non-windows store) ?
This video show them repackaging an existing MSI installer, and I don't the point of it.
This MSIX inside and out - BRK2467 - YouTube video show a some more (along tons of star-trek type techno-babble), but still confusing af.
I'd rather be phishing!
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New icon?
Technician
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2. One who does precision guesswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge.
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I know many people still haven't moved on to win 10, but
- how many years old is this "modern interface"?
- how many years have past interfaces lasted?
OIOW, how much longer will it still be modern?
you know it's always the icons that change first
... you know, like the wife buys a new table and the carpet no longer matches
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It is very popular today to use the word "experience" in marketing and it seems to be very important to just about everything. The really annoying thing is it is often used in really weird ways and this is one example. What the heck is a "modern packaging experience" ? Never mind. I really don't think I want to know.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Rick York wrote: What the heck is a "modern packaging experience" ?
Wrapping the chips* in newspaper instead of styrofoam? 
* "Fries" for the non-Brits
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It is likely more immersive. Like we all want to do with a marketer's head and a bucket of their own output.
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Just another method to add Win32 applications to the windows store.... Marketing BS... Plus the techno Safer, Better blah. blah...
Who the f*** is General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?
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Is cloning a large flightless bird just emulation?
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Ostrich the definition a bit further, perhaps: eggactly one tern for the worse.
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The largest flightless bird must have been the Hindenbird. 
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Don't be a Dodo
Technician
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2. One who does precision guesswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge.
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