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I'm watching.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject
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Tim Carmichael wrote: And yet, CodeProject is frequently toxic - review the behavior in the lounge. Toxic behavior is tolerated because of the 'rep' points the posters have.
Oh.. I missed those parts!  
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I used to moderate a gaming board when I was working nights, you'll never be able to completely prevent toxicity online, you can only remove, warn and then ultimately ban repeat offenders.
It's the whole feeling of anonymity that people get online which they think protects them from repercussions (ultimately they're right, there's a limit to what you can do). Continual trolls (the ones who then re-register) are eventually removed via IP bans only...
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JHizzle wrote: Continual trolls (the ones who then re-register) are eventually removed via IP bans only...
Not here, and I've never understood why... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Because that doesn't work for certain parts of the world.
I for instance don't have a fixed IP (at home).
Yes it stays the same for a long time but a simple router reboot (can) change my ip so...
Tom
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True, but it's not a reason not to implement it anyway. It could - if nothing else - kepp SOME of the offenders out... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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And every student in the campus of a single a-hole, every coworker of a single a-hole, every user of the same library of a single a-hole... While that one can simply reboot the router and keep on trolling.
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Super Lloyd wrote: What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity...
The problem is that the vast majority of people are toxic, and you can't change that.
Perhaps I demonstrate that point! 
Marc
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Damn, I missed out on the toxic Clifton bits! 
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Marc Clifton wrote: The problem is that the vast majority of people are toxic, and you can't change that.
Not really - put face to face with the persons they're talking about, not many people would behave the same as they do on the net. It's the anonymity that brings out the wurst in people.
You can see it here on CP as well: The members who know each other from daily chit-chat etc treat each other with a reasonable amount of respect (even those who don't like each other all that much), but you can see the same people chew up some innocent newbie with no holds barred.
So because I know you and your reputation, I will definitely refrain from calling you a stupid asshat for the comment you just posted...
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Quote: It's the anonymity that brings out the wurst in people.
So you're basically saying anonymity brings out the brats.
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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First: good luck.
Second: Show respect, always, everywhere.
Third: GOTO First.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Thanks! 
It's only a remote possibility at that stage... Need to work harder in my take over the world app first!
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Super Lloyd wrote: Apparently toxicity on the internet is a very real problem
Really ? Back then, @toxcct was a rather good guy.
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Sadly, I'd suggest starting work on a perpetual motion machine, you have a better chance of it working.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Require their credit card numbers when they join and fine them for every toxic post.
You can bill them as "a$$ho1e fee" on their credit card statements.
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I am down with this idea. It would work and make money to help pay for the upkeep of the community....
I would be happy to help set up the credit card charging (PCI compliance is an ever changing bitch!) for a slice of the profits... 
Be careful what you ask for...
you just might get it...
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Have opinions as strong as you think they need to be, but don't demand that everyone agree with you.
Oh, and having a way higher than average percentage of well educated, intelligent professionals might help, too.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Super Lloyd wrote: toxicity
AKA somebody offended me.
Aaand no it's not a real problem.
Aaand any "solution" to this "problem" is going to be much worse the actual "problem"
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Mladen Janković wrote: AKA somebody offended me.
I'd have to disagree. I'm quite capable of recognizing toxic behavior without being offended by it. Just because someone is being a jerk, doesn't mean I have to let it affect me. My emotions are my own, and it is my choice to feel offended or not; no-one can make me feel that way.
Mladen Janković wrote: Aaand no it's not a real problem.
Again I'll have to disagree. When you build a community, no matter its location or size, you want its members to actually enjoy being members. Otherwise the community self destructs.
Mladen Janković wrote: Aaand any "solution" to this "problem" is going to be much worse the actual "problem"
Any solution to the problem is, to some degree, a form of censorship. I disagree with censorship to a point; but in this case I feel it is fully necessary. As a user, you have zero right to participate in any community. You are allowed to participate in a community at the discretion of its existing members. If you step out of line, the community will deal with you as they see fit. If that means removing your messages or banning you completely, it is within their rights to do so. On the other side of the coin, as a member you have no obligation to participate in any given community, and if you don't like the state of things, are free to walk away at any given time.
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Yeah, except Internet != community.
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Well, yeah, of course.
But you didn't use the word internet, and neither did I. Super Lloyd did, but the post was about creating an online community, not creating a new internet without toxicity.
So, what's your point?
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Kyle Moyer wrote: But you didn't use the word internet
Well I was quoting part where he talked about the Internet in general. I mean, we can split hair all night long if you're into that.
Kyle Moyer wrote: So, what's your point?
I stated my point in OP - toxicity is not a problem on the Internet. And you all should keep your filthy hands off it, trying to regulate it as you're going to make a much bigger mess.
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Alright, that's fair. I didn't get that from your first post, so we were talking about (somewhat) different things. My apologies for any confusion.
For the internet as a whole, I agree, toxicity isn't really an issue. And regulating the internet as a whole to try to prevent it, I also agree, is a really bad idea.
Individual communities on the internet, however, particularly those frequented by the youngers of the population, tend to have toxicity problems, and those should be free to manage themselves as they see fit.
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