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Seriously, I don't know why there's too much of hype around Slack.
I find 0 influence in my work. I was comfortable with skype, as I was with Hangouts, Even whatsapp web did what is required for me.
Of course, there's a 100 different integration available to slack. People can say they are so happy with slack if they've integrated so much of services into it.
But, when one haven't integrated ANYTHING, but saying Slack is awesome, blah blah. Seriously irritates.
One guy says, Slack brought transparency in organization. For god sake! There's something called DL in emails, there's something called group conversation in Hangouts, one in skype, one in Skype for business. The option to talk things in public is there everywhere. Just because we created a public channel in slack one of the managers says it has brought transparency.
And the mushrooms around him says, Slack is awesome to chat through.
What the heck, I feel like pulling these people by their collars and ask, Have you been typing by your arse all the while in hangouts/Skype and now that Slack lets you type with your fingers?
I kinda totally dislike people running after something just because someone else did, without exploring it fully.
That's the angry man in me. On the other hand, We do have integrated a bunch of services, and it feels okay-good type of. You should give it a try, if you haven't done yet.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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I find that Slack introduces far too much overhead to be an effective communication tool. Unless you are extremely careful, you will find that the sheer number of channels you can end up subscribing to in order to keep track of things grows out of hand. And sifting the wheat from the chaff becomes almost impossible. Forget about using the web version as well - on Windows, it leaks so much memory that, if you leave it open all day, it will end up crashing your machine; yes, I have tested this.
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Exactly. And we've already started doing that painful thing called "Archive channel" as we have heaped a lot of channels in a short time. When you archive a channel, all the members are automatically removed out. You need to invite them back again. Don't know why this circus.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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We're a small company and use slack as email replacement. Since we're only a handfull of devs it works great for us, got rid of all the emails with huge CCs.
I can imagine that it creates a huge overhead when used wrong by big companies, especially when management gets involved. But that's always the case once management joins the ship.
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We use slack; it is not perfect (no tool is perfect).
I like it; it works for us (20-something team).
If we decide to use something else in the future, no biggie.
I'd rather be phishing!
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In this clip here[^].
I know what happened but will wait for someone else to figure out.
"You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[ ^]
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It is so obvious what happened. The problem with internet is that during initial stages, only insane and conspiracy theorist look into it and create a False hype.
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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super wrote: It is so obvious what happened.
Of course it is. She either has a time machine or is an alien. 
"You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[ ^]
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Maybe... she found "One Ring[^]". 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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I've had a few curries that found the one ring in my time.
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The real question is : what colour is her dress ?
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Why?
"You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[ ^]
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Women's clothing should be banned because of that. 
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So,
If you were in a position right now to start building a team to develop applications that need to be cross-platform but, in all honestly, will mostly be running on desktop PCs and tablets, not phones (but some parts will need to be on phones and tablets)..
Would you
go the HTML5 route (Angular 2, TypeScript et al)
go the Xamarin route (but what happens when MS stuffs it up)
go Windows C# - stuff 'em, tehy can by a Windows phone.
or something else.
For the record, I hadn't considered Xamarin until MS just bought them - now I'm not so sure...
The aim is to develop micro-applications using micro-services to provide the functionality rather than traditional monolithic applications.
Generally speaking just boring business apps - although a little hardware interfacing may be required in one or two apps.
I genuinely would like to hear your thoughts - and reserve the right to entirely ignore them if they differ to my own 
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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I always felt, if an app needs a bit of good user experience. I wouldnt suggest the HTML5 route. May be with exceptional skills, and updates in latest brower today one might develop a good App, dont know. But the last time I tried, I didnt like the feel of it.
Xamarin is quite expensive. I'm just hearing it's bought by MS. I think they might make it affordable. We should see how much of UI controls are covered in Xamarin. It should be an evolved platform by now.
If you are just targeting for Windows OS, then Windows Universal App platform might be better. It makes things much easier with common shared code among different Windows platforms.
On top of these , there's also an option to develop Apps with WinJS. Kinda balancing between windows Runtime and Web skills.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Vunic wrote: Xamarin is quite expensive. I'm just hearing it's bought by MS. I think they might make it affordable.
Ya know, I never saw you as a particularly "funny guy" until just now. I spit coffee all over my monitor when I read that.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
modified 21-Mar-16 8:08am.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Ya know, I never saw you as a particularly "funny guy" until just now. I spit coffee all over my monitor when I read that.
Oh, Okay fine! Let me see if I take you out of your ignorance.
I've been into Microsoft devices development from my diaper days of my career. I remember the day they were charging big for their Embedded OS, WinCE. I remember the days where they made drastic cuts in their CE OS license costs.I remember the struggle they went through trying to establish Windows Phone OS 7.0, 7.1,7.5, 8.0,8.1 and also in the middle- things called RT, Now UWP.
Microsoft knew one of the key gold mine in future would be iOT(embedded), Smartphones & other devices.
They are desperate to get their Phone platform up and running to set up the eco system with Xbox& whole lot of things there, they are bring up. They want to take these to the masses. Marketshare of WindowsPhone in smartphoe segment is just around 0.5-1% today. Lack of Apps in Windows Phone is seen one of the key drawbacks of Windows Phone.
Now they've made Windows 10 OS free for screens under 9" to attract Hardware manufacturers.
They've invested time trying to bring Android Run time into Windows OS to let Android Apps work inside their OS.
They've fiddled with possibility of porting iOS Apps into Windows platform.
They've freely integrated Cordova into Visual Studio IDE.
They've took strain to let Unity 3D integrate with Visual Studio. This IDE feature comes FREE for community edition.
They put yet another round of effort to attract web skills to develop apps for their phone, though WinJS.
Xamarin is one of the successful platform in the corporate. Most of my friends in MNCs use this for their Apps. It's pretty successful there.
Xamarin might be a trump card for Microsoft. Companies investing 3 different teams and resources, might jump to it and this would let Apps naturally come into Windows Platform as well.
And for your info , for Cloud, They've made Azure quite affordable for entry level users. They've done so much of updates targeting JUST Smartphones & devices.
So Smartphone is very much in their Agenda. They'd throw any offers to attract people into this stream.
Did this help you come out of your ignorance , Mr outlaw programmer?
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
modified 21-Mar-16 9:35am.
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I'd probably still go the Xamarin route - it leaves you flexible for when a client comes along [whinge]"but I have a Android phone"[/whinge]
Quote: but what happens when MS stuffs it up
isnt that projecting too far down the track ? make something happen, now, with the best info you have - aint no such thing as a crystal ball
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You're probably right, but it concerns me that it may be in MS interest to stuff up Xamarin to stop people developing cross-platform?
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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Garth J Lancaster wrote: isnt that projecting too far down the track ?
No software product is so mature that Microsoft can't find a way to "improve" it. Look at Windows. it's been around since 1987, and they still manage to screw it up.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Xamarin is well known and cross platform with big potential. But HTML 5 has lack in the deeper power and performance.
Tip: make a complete UML diagram of the App and look what each platform can do and decide after the full UML task 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Xamarin - $1000 per platform per year. If you want to support "the big three", that's $3k per year, and that does NOT include fees that "the big three" charge for dev access to their app stores.
I think you should try Cordova (HTML5, javascript/typescript, css), and see how your app feels. If you're not happy, your only recourse is Xamarin (and I think writing for iOS requires that you have access to a Mac to compile it).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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That's why I'd discounted it up until now - but with MS buying them I wonder if it will be rolled into MSDN?
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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John (JSOP) makes some good points - maybe you should do a trial or mockup on Cordova and contrast that to 'native' (by which I mean SWIFT or Objective-C)(*1) (for the iPhone Im obviously talking about) and, if you have an app out there already, see how many Android vs iPhone sales/downloads you have - where I worked we only targeted iPhone because thats what the customers had
I dont discount what John's saying - but the 'lifetime' of an app is what, 3 years ? (if you're lucky) ... will MS kill Xamarin in 3 years vs when do you need to get something out there (so if you know c# and can get the app done, even at $1000 for just iOS, you have a win for the business)
(*1) if you're familiar with the Xcode environment, you can 'storyboard' basic set of app screens quite quickly to see what the look/feel & transitions might be - I found an article on this a while back, I'll try and add the link if you're interested
'g'
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