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I just installed VS2012 EXPRESS and it's telling me the product will expire in 30 days.
Registration is required for continued use of Microsoft Visual Studio Express 2012 for Windows Desktop.
Is this because I installed the Windows Desktop version?
WTF?
[edit]Well, it's seems useless to me to even try out, because it doesn't seem to support F#. More WTF experience, because I was reading somewhere that VS2012 Express DID support F#, but maybe that was the web version. Gads, where is a friggin' product chart???[/edit]
Marc
modified 4-Oct-12 15:07pm.
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It is free. But you need to register to get a free license key.
/ravi
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That's not free, that's a requirement. A transaction, if you will.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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It's free in the sense there's no payment to be made.
But the registration process requires you to divulge your shoe size and submit a urine sample. 
/ravi
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: That's not free, that's a requirement. A transaction, if you will.
How does "free" equate with "no communication"?
There are no free offers where you don't have to either give your name or turn up at a specified location to retrieve the item.
Get a cracked version in a torrent, if you prefer the "you have no right to know who you're giving your stuff to" kind of "free".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark Wallace wrote: There are no free offers where you don't have to either give your name or turn up at a specified location to retrieve the item.
I always get a slice of wurst from the butcher, without registering my name as a user there.
Free means that there's no (NONE AT ALL) requirement to pass to gain something. It's not "free" if you have to kill someone to get it, nor is it when you have to enter personal information.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: A transaction, if you will.
No money, no transaction. A requirement yes.
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Transactions aren't limited to money 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: But you need to register to get a free license key.
The message could be a bit more, rather, a LOT more clear: "REGISTER otherwise you will have only a 30 day TRIAL."
And of course, I did try the "register online" button, which took me to a "enter your email and password" which of course I don't have a Windows LIVE (maybe the stupid outlook.com email thing will work) email address and no obvious "I don't have one, you idiots" button seemed present, so I closed Chrome and hit Cancel on the VS2012 screen.
But, as I updated my post, it doesn't seem that VS2012 Express supports F#. At least, there isn't a "new F# project" option in the "new project" selection list. Which I thought I had read that the Express version supported F#.
Argh. How is it possible that Microsoft can produce so much frustration in such a short amount of time. They must be taking lessons from my ex-gf. Correction. ex-gfs
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: I don't have a Windows LIVE ... email address
You need a Windows Live account, but not a Windows Live email address. I have a Windows Live account (which allows me to use Windows Live Messenger, MS Connect, etc.) but use my own personal email address (shown in my sig). Same with the Google services I use - I don't have a Gmail account.
/ravi
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Marc Clifton wrote: it doesn't seem that VS2012 Express supports F#.
Does this[^] help?
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: Does this[^] help?
No, because, reading the documentation, it uses the Web Installer thingy, which automatically will detect dependencies, such as VS2012 Express for Web and install those as well.
I don't want Web.
WAAAAAHHH!
But thanks anyways for the link.
Marc
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It is since v2008, you need a live ID / hotmail email to register, it's free, this is just to send you marketing spam (you can select to opt out in that big form). they will send you the registration code.
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Marc,
Free stuff (in particular, MS dev tool) still requires registration/activation (it might be two inter-related procedures).
Best,
Alex
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You need to register with a windows live id. You can use any email address for that ID. It doesn't need to be a hotmail.com or outlook.com or live.com address. I know, because I have two live ID's that use neither of the aforementioned domains.
Marc Clifton wrote: eading somewhere that VS2012 Express DID support F#
It does. I believe you need to download the Express version that is specifically for that language, but it is only for web development. And, note that there's an Express version for each language, not one all-inclusive version. /edit/Seems I'm a bit wrong there, that was the case originally, but not any longer./edit.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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ahmed zahmed wrote: but it is only for web development
I wonder how they figured out that F# should be associated with web development. 
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: F# should be associated with web development
It's only available for free in the Express versions as a webdev language. You can do desktop development in F# with the paid version. 
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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ahmed zahmed wrote: You can do desktop development in F# with the paid version.
So I am noticing. Well, I don't mind paying, it's just the product matrix is so fubar'd when all I want to do is try some stuff out, and NOT in a web environment.
Marc
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Though completely off-topic, it reminds me of all those software products that are free to download. Actually running them costs you money, though.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: it reminds me of all those software products that are free to download. Actually running them costs you money, though.
Ain't marriage grand? 
Marc
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I feel for you. I wish posters would quit commenting that registering is free; it isn't. Free is free and anything else isn't. Of course I use pay versions so never really cared about the free version other than the fact it increases my level of competition.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Registration is required for continued use
This has been true since VS Express 2005.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
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