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Perhaps they need to read this bit as well...
Quote: 1 Corinthians 11
28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.
It doesn't say "Be examined by a priest".
Or maybe...
Quote: Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
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Also
That bit of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.
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Quote: Catholics Don't Read The Bible
Because it was illegal at one point. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Wow. Incredibly naive.
I will admit I was sort of incorrect in how I worded it. It was illegal to be translated into a language that a "regular" person might be able to read. Yes, I know many were illiterate altogether. Tyndale[^] translated to English, Luther to German, etc, and as "regular" people could read it they quickly found out that what the Bible said and what the church was teaching were not the same, hence a reformation, etc, etc, etc.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Again, not quite.
What was forbidden was publishing inaccurate translations:
Catholic "Inventions"[^] -- about halfway down.
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Right. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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This is a subject close to my heart.
Christ visited us here to set up a new Kingdom. The Kingdom was of a different sort in that the top guy isn't there to be served, but to serve. It's the only kingdom where the king died for his people and where all of his subjects are commanded to go out and bleed for the enemy. It's backwards, bizarre, and completely upside down.
Love your enemy.
But it is so backwards, so ridiculous, and so outrageous that even most professing Christians don't get it. Love is seen as weak and ineffective when in fact it's the most powerful thing on earth. As a long time right wing fundy nut I'm only begining to understand it myself and frankly, I find it a bit scary.
It's so much easier to hate, to fight, and to judge.
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Don't worry, I was brought up in a very religious household, my Mother even taught RE, and the message is really very simple and just retold in a myriad different ways. Just be kind.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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"Crazy and completely upside down" is a good formula for "instant profound". The less sense it makes the better.
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I understand the skeptic's response completely.
I've always hated gurus that talk in babble and pretend that it's profound.
When I talk about upside down I don't mean that it's complex or hard to understand.
It's simple - if you have a sandwich and your brother has none you give him half.
The complexity only comes in our attempts to rationalize the obvious away.
In my own life, I make the very simple as complex as possible as to avoid action.
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If you are a good Christian then you will follow the teachings of the Bible.
So let us all go out and stone the adulterers.
(Oddly, most people get stoned, THEN commit adultery).
Let us remember that owning slaves is acceptable, so long as we treat them well and do not beat them more than is necessary.
Do not wear clothes made of wool and linen.
For some reason the bible says that this is an offence to god, but maybe it is just a style note?
Remember, no trimming those beards, for a man may not Round His Face as the bible puts it.
(Note: The Archbishop of Canterbury seems to obey this one).
If your wife helps to pull you out of a fight, you have to cut off her hand.
(Not sure how this works if she is the one pushing you INTO a fight?)
You must not bear false witness.
Yeah, Right.
Your wife buys that little outfit she has been eyeing up for a few weeks and asks you if her bum looks big in it...
Apart from those there are a lot of things which carry the death penalty.
Adultery as mentioned above, but also: Homosexuality, astrology, being a disrespectful child, being a drunken son, blasphemy, breaking the Sabbath, perjury, incest, bestiality and witchcraft.
So, no fun at all if you are religious.
(Note: it is ok to offer the crowd your daughters to be raped, but not a male house guest, but that is the bible for you).
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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Dave, that's Leviticus. It is accepted by almost all groups - Christian and Jewish alike - to be outdated at best and downright offensive. Jesus actually rejected Leviticun Law and instead promoted love and forgiveness instead.
BTW - Why can't I own a Canadian[^]
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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So you are saying that you can pick and choose which parts of the bible to ignore?
Hmmmm, what seems to be the problem with that?
Either you follow the teachings of the bible or you don't.
(I don't, I am not a hypocrite).
As for the Slavery thing, it was Jesus that said he was cool with it.
Luke 12:47-48
47 “And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,
48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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A lot of people through the ages have professed to be Christian and yet kept slaves. It was a part of life, just as we now longer become amorous with Ovis Aries - except in more rural regions - we no longer keep slaves. But at it's time, slavery was rife and considered normal.
For most Christians, the teachings of the Bible are used and reflected upon with a reference to the modern world. Only very few take it as being literal.
Do you own a French slave?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Do you own a French slave?
Does the Au Pair count?
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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Dalek Dave wrote: Does the Au Pair count?
Only if she's clever.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Jesus was telling a story using a real life illustration from the time to make a larger point. I don't see where He said he was cool with it. (All of this is aside from the fact that He was here to set up a new kingdom, not reform the old one - later epistles say, in fact, in His kingdom there are no slaves or free and all are the same.)
When you went to driver's training class and they showed videos of car wrecks do you think the teacher was trying to communicate that car wrecks are fun and totally awesome? My guess is that the teacher was probably trying to make a large point about driver safety.
There is plenty of really good material out there for a skeptic to present.
This isn't one of 'em.
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I read a book a year or two ago called "The Year of Living Biblically"[^] - The author tries to follow all of the rules set out in the Bible (~700 of them)
I remember at one point he hired an expert to advise him on his adhereance to the rules in Leviticus - a Jewish guy who checked out all of his clothing etc - I seem to remember that one suit was rejected - it was wool, but had a label made of polyester or some such thing, so not everyone has rejected those rules.
Also - the NT says "Thou shalt not kill" - try getting an Americal Bible basher to agree to that one - they all seem to go for the OT "Eye for an eye" rulings, campaign endlessley for the death penalty etc.
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Transvestites - Roberts in Disguise!
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Dalek Dave wrote: Adultery as mentioned above, but also: Homosexuality, astrology, being a disrespectful child, being a drunken son, blasphemy, breaking the Sabbath, perjury, incest, bestiality and witchcraft.
I don't see anything in there about not owning fully automatic weapons...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Whilst not owning them may lead to death, I do not believe it is compulsory.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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My point was that anything not prohibited is, by default, allowed.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Time-travel is allowed, then.
Go get Hitler for us.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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That is a legal position.
Strangely the very first person 'Legally' cremated in this country was called Jesus Christ.
There is a long story about it.
Here[^]
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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Dalek Dave wrote: Note: it is ok to offer the crowd your daughters to be raped, but not a male
house guest, but that is the bible for you
You probably shouldn't watch Jersey Shore.
If you cannot read a story without taking it as a directive for how you should act then even a Looney Toons cartoon would be off limits. In short, just because the Bible tells a story wherein someone did something awful that doesn't mean we should go out and do that same thing.
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