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Well the State of Illinois gets to join the rest of the Union in granting its citizens the right to carry a firearm. Today an federal appellate court ruled the ban unconstitutional as self defense is one thing that the writers of the Constitution had in mind with the 2nd Amendment, and that the 2nd Amendment could not be confined to one's house.
In the opinion, Judge Richard Posner wrote that “a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower.”
Rough neighborhood? How about any neighborhood.
“Nevertheless we order our mandate stayed for 180 days to allow the Illinois legislature to craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public,” Posner said.
Ohh the options, to go 45acp or 357sig, probably both. 180 days: I'll have time to try a bunch subcompacts. I'm going to need a slide racker. Any suggestions on holsters + gun that work well together with a slide racker?
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I had no idea there was a state of the USA not under the control of gun nuts ?
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Yes, there is, the one run by criminals.
Here's one of your gun control advocates, arrested with... a gun, at an airport!
http://www.businessinsider.com/illinois-state-senator-trotter-arrested-2012-12[^]
and they keep voting for felons:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/derrick-smith-election-results_n_2079236.html[^]
Despite his arrest on a felony bribery charge earlier this year, state Rep. Derrick Smith (D-Chicago) was re-elected in Tuesday's election.
Once re-elected, a state lawmaker in Illinois cannot be re-expelled by his or her peers for the same reason as a previous expulsion.
He's kind of famous right? Jesse Jackson Jr:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/22/jesse-jackson-jr-resigned_n_2175593.html[^]
A little history of elected crooks in safe, gun free Illinois:
Governors:
Rod Blago: Blagojevich was convicted on 17 corruption counts this past summer, and another one in 2010
George Ryan: Governor from 1999-2003, Illinois secretary of state from 1991 to 1999. Found guilty in 2006 on 18 federal counts regarding actions during time as secretary of state and as governor. Sentenced to 6½ years, imprisoned from 2007 to present, with an estimated release date of July 4, 2013.
Otto Kerner: Governor from 1961-1968, federal appeals court judge from 1968 to 1974. Found guilty in 1973 on 17 federal counts regarding actions during time as governor. Sentenced to 3 years, but imprisoned for less than a year (from 1974 to 1975) because of poor health.
Dan Walker: Governor from 1973 to 1977. Pleaded guilty in 1987 to three federal counts regarding actions occurring after he left office. Initially sentenced to seven years, but released after a year and a half (from 1988 to 1989) because of health concerns.
Other Illinois politicians
Dan Rostenkowski: Congressman from 1959 to 1995. Pleaded guilty in 1996 to two federal counts regarding actions during time in Congress. Sentenced to 17 months, imprisoned for 15 months, from 1996 to 1997.
Mel Reynolds: Congressman from 1993 to 1995. Found guilty in 1995 on state counts related to having sex with a minor. Sentenced to five years. Then found guilty in 1997 on 15 federal counts regarding actions during campaigns for Congress. Sentenced to six and a half years. President Clinton commuted his sentence in 2001.
Betty Loren Maltese: Cicero town president from 1993 to 2002. Found guilty in 2002 on six federal counts regarding actions during time as town president. Sentenced to eight years, imprisoned for seven years, from 2003 to 2010.
Jim Laski: Chicago city clerk from 1995 to 2006. Pleaded guilty in 2006 on one federal count regarding actions during time as alderman and city clerk. Sentenced to two years, imprisoned for less than a year, from 2007 to 2008.
Tom Keane: Alderman from 1945 to 1974. Found guilty in 1974 on 18 federal counts regarding actions during his time as alderman. Sentenced to five years, imprisoned for less than two years, from 1976 to 1978.
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All politicians are corrupt. So what ? Is that a good reason to increase the odds of the guy robbing you or your home having a gun ?
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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You said the state wasn't run by gun nuts. I replied because it is run by felons.
Please explain how this will increase the chance of the guy robbing will have a gun? I'm pretty sure criminals don't follow the law.
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Criminals do not have magic powers. They find it easier to get guns, if society is awash with them.
And it's not a dichotomy. Politicians tend to be crooked. Some can be gun nuts, while others are not. They are still all crooks.
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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It's called Canada. 
Chris Meech
I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar]
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]
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wizardzz wrote: self defense is one thing that the writers of the Constitution had in mind with the 2nd Amendment
And here I thought it once was about being able to defend your democratic rights ...
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Espen Harlinn wrote: one thing that the writers of the Constitution had in mind
One thing that the high courts are actually acknowledging...
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It has nothing to do do directly with personal self defense. It's about protecting the Constitution and the people from run-away government and foreign invasion ("all enemies, foreign and domestic").
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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What I was trying to say, but you definitely said it better ... 
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wizardzz wrote: “a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower.”
But surely less likely to be attacked by someone with a gun, than will be the case if carrying a gun becomes legal?
(and, yes, I'm sure there are lots of bad folk already carrying guns on the streets of the fair city, but at least they can be arrested solely for that act, at present)
.\\axxx
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SockPuppeteer wrote: But surely less likely to be attacked by someone with a gun, than will be the case if carrying a gun becomes legal?
I know many people who have been robbed and/or assaulted, not just at gunpoint. I've had a knife pulled on me. In the very least, at least now criminals won't think every single person on the street will make an easy unarmed victim. The "wildings" (flash mob beatings, robberies, etc) in Chicago have gotten out of control and relatively no publicity.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/5828716-418/emanuel-on-flash-mobs-wildings-we-have-to-knock-this-out.html[^]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/third-world-america-2011_b_873200.html[^]
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/31/chicago-gangs-go-wilding-amid-rising-gun-violence-in-obama-s-hometown.html[^]
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-probing-downtown-muggings-20120610,0,7863065.story[^]
SockPuppeteer wrote: (and, yes, I'm sure there are lots of bad folk already carrying guns on the streets of the fair city, but at least they can be arrested solely for that act, at present)
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What's the point? They don't serve jailtime for it! Hell, you can point a gun at a cop and not go to jail.
"Prosecutors have argued that the rapper violated the terms of his probation by holding that rifle following his conviction for pointing a gun at a Chicago cop last year."
Probation... for pointing a gun at police.
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Move to a different location. Arizona is a constitutional carry state. And it's warmer.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Not a lot of openings for software developers in the financial industry there. I have seen some in Nevada  If I found a remote position, I'd move somewhere warmer in a heartbeat.
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wizardzz wrote: Well the State of Illinois gets to join the rest of the Union in granting its citizens the right to carry a firearm.
More accurately, they're restoring the 2nd Amendment right to people who have had that right infringed by the government. This is precisely how the separation of powers should work. The legislature imposes unconstitutional laws, and the judiciary shuts them down. I'm just surprised it works better in Illinois than it does here in Texas.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'm just surprised it works better in Illinois than it does here in Texas.
In fairness, it was a federal appellate court, which only happens to be located in Chicago.
What laws does Texas have you feel the feds should void?
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You also have the right to bear a carpet on your shoulder.
Get to it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Would a GE M134[^] be going too far? 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Hard to conceal.
I would 5 you if I could, any mentioning of Predator deserves it.
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Wow! Talk about timing!
I need a new violin case, so I'll log in to ebay right away!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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