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I'm not sure if I want to call this a rant or a joke.
I'm trying to get a simple database up and running on Sql Server. I DON'T CARE WHAT VERSION. I simply cannot find the management tools entry for "Create elephanting database". It appears that over the past year, I have installed items that conflict. Fine, I'll clean it up. This is what I find in my Uninstall list - no less than 20 items related to this product. Mind you, I don't remember installing ANY of them. And my gin intake is sadly way way down.
Microsoft SQL server 20o5 ____
J Microsoft SQL Server 2oo5 (64-bit)
J Microsoft sqL senver 200s Bachward comeatibility
I Microsoft SQL Server 2oo5 compact Edition [ENu]
J Microsoft SQL Senver 2008 Management objects
J Microsoft SQL Server 2oo8 R2
J Microsoft SQL Server 2008 R2 Native client
J Microsoft SQL Server 2008 R2 Setup (English)
J Microsoft SQL Senver 20o8 setup Support riles
3 Microsoft sqL Senver 2o12 command Line Utilities
Microsoft SQL Sewver 2012 Data-Tier App Framework
J Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Data-Tier Aep rramewonk
j Microsoft sqL Senver 2o12 Express Lo<alDB
J Microsoft sqL Senver 2o12 Management objects
J Microsoft SQL Server 2o12 Management objects (r4)c
3 Microsoft SQL senver 2012 Native client
J Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Transact-SQl comeiler servise
J Microsoft SQL Senver 2o12 Transact-SQl. ScriptDom
J Microsoft SQL senver 2o12 T-SQL Language senvice
J Microsoft SQL senver Browser
[ Microsoft SQL senver compact 3.5 for Devices ENu
1i’ Microsoft SQL Server compact 3.5 SP1 Design Tools English
I Microsoft SQL Server Compact 3.5 sP1 English
5 Microsoft SQL Sewver compact 4.0 SP1 64 ENU
J Microsoft sQL senver Data Tools - enu (11120e27.oo)
1 Microsoft sqL server Data Tools Build utilities - enu (11.120627.0o)
Microsoft SQL Senver Database Publishing wizard 1.3
J Microsoft sQL senver Native client
J Microsoft sqL Senver Setup support Files (English)
3 Microsoft sqL Senver Setup Support Files (English)
3 Microsoft SqL Server System cLR Types
j Microsoft SQL Server Systen cLR Types (64)
J Microsoft SQL Server VSs writer
J Microsoft System cIR Types for sQL Server 2o12
Microsoft System cLR Types for SQL Server 2o12 (x64)
Now I start the process of peeling the debris from my machine..... it's a big mess of installation spaghetti.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I feel your pain, I have just finished removing all the SQL bits from my machine with the view to installing 2014, took hours. Then I ran a registry cleaner as the last time (2012) I installed SQL it bitched about express version, from VS being installed. Bloody nightmare.
Oh I got the registry cleaner from free tools recommended by Bill Woodruff, cleaned 7k+ invalid entries from the registry and I didn't even need the restore point  .
Todays exercise, install SQL 2014, I am not optimistic!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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My rant has more to do with "Why do you make it so elephanting hard?"
What I have found is that I had installed various applications that made use of assorted versions of Sql Server. This is where the multitude of debris came from. Anytime I tried to remove one, I would receive an ominous warning about how something else depended on it. Finally, I just said f*** it and plowed on. And eventually, it was all removed.
So, I reinstalled 2005 (compatible with my VS 2008, yes, I know I need an upgrade), and now I am at the point of trying to connect to Sql Server via the mgt tool to create a database. Nothing gets me past an ominous message of not being able to connect....
No clues, nothing. Now, I have a good idea what I need to do, but really, it should not be this hard. I now have to stop playing and start working. Maybe next week.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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2014 installed without a problem, unlike 2008/2012 which both required various tweaks to get them to work properly. I can understand using 2005, like word I have not needed any of the newer features of SQL Server for some time.
Just be thankful you are not trying to install Oracle 
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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hahahaha - I've done that in a past job. On clustered AIX machines with RAID.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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And people ask why do I use virtual machines in my development....
This reason above is exactly why!
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Amen and amen. Exactly why I am moving in that direction. Or, was, I distract easily.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Following on from this mornings thread[^]:
Marc Clifton actually invented the Internet
Marc Clifton has a life size tattoo of Marc Clifton that covers his entire body
Marc Clifton is the sound of one hand clapping
Every time Marc Clifton frowns, a fairy dies
Marc Clifton was the life model for Pac Man
Marc Clifton wrote Shakespeare.
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Marc Clifton wanted to divide by zero, but was told that he had zero chance of success, so he divided by that and succeeded.
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The divide by zero exception asks his permission before throwing!
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Marc is a leader, author and creator - developer...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Marc Clifton doesn't check for null, null checks for Marc Clifton.
Jeremy Falcon
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Marc Clifton originally wrote the Ten Commandments as 0 through 9, but marketing said they'd never sell and changed them to I through X before release.
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With respect to his great book on unit testing -
Marc Clifton's code doesn't need to be unit tested, it's guaranteed to work even before it's written.
Whether I think I can, or think I can't, I am always bloody right!
modified 10-Aug-14 2:57am.
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The irony to this is, as I was reading Chuck Norris facts about Chris Maunder, I was considering replying "enough about Chris, what about me???" only to discover, two threads down...
![Jig | [Dance]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/jig.gif)
Marc
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I just ran my first CoderDojo on the Sunshine Coast[^] today.
30 kids, a handful of mentors, and a couple of hours of programming fun!
it was surprising, to me, that the majority of the kids had no programming experience whatsoever - these were kids from about 7 through to 14 or so.
we used Scratch mainly - it's a great way of getting them doing something quickly.
A couple of the older kids looked at html and javascript and one played with Python.
considering these kids had to come in on a saturday (it's nothing to do with the school, this is entirely independent) it's amazingly popular - sold out in hours and we're arranging another three events (each is 6 weekly two=hour session) which are essentially already fully booked.
I'm feeling inspired!
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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You can always take a look at LEGO MINDSTORMS and other more advanced robotic platforms, then they learn to program with the prize of something that moves which is more visual.
Years ago I saw this happening when I hired a guy whose hobby was about line following robotics. Being young fellas, we started working on his robot during the weekends and we enjoyed it a lot. It was really nice to work on those platforms using C and applying mechanics, electronics and software to get something really cool.
See here a video of our robot one day we changed the steering control software from a normal direct control to some kind of PID. Oh, and we changed the wheels to make it much more interesting (those wheels slipped a lot).
You can see the video here: http://www.exabyteinformatica.com/tienda/foro/robot-velocista-seguidor-de-linea-en-derrape-constante-t307.html[^]
And the robotics final summary in one of the championships we participated (and win ) Robolot 2008:
http://www.exabyteinformatica.com/tienda/foro/resumen-rastreadores-velocistas-robolot-2008-t310.html[^]
Our robot can be seen from 2:29 on the left table and 4:07 on the right table (final).
It is fun, it keeps children and not children interested, it's competition and it's great for learning...
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How rewarding! You should be proud!
I may be dating myself, but it made me marvel at the resources that are available to anyone with the desire to learn software development either as a hobby or career. By resources, I mean those things that weren't around when I was a kid:
0: Easy access to a decent computer/device
1: Free IDEs for building applications
2: Easy to find code samples, documentation, tutorials, knowledge base, user community, etc..
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: I may be dating myself
Obligatory Dilbert[^]
You looking for sympathy?
You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric
(Page 1788, if it helps)
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Enjoyed the Dilbert, thanks!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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In stackoverflow, if a new one asks a simple question, then the top users starts down voting, ranting.
If someone don't have knowledge on particular topic or another then the regular users start insulting them.
They call themselves as experts.
They are playing with site good reputation.
Overall this website has became very funny.
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Exactly, you're hundred percent correct. Developers who go to Stack Overflow to get help are often pissed off, when I started to use SO, same thing happened. I asked a question, instead of forwarding me to another thread they downvoted me and then I lost the ability to ask again.
It happens many times. Experts there are experts only because they know how to extract content from Wikipedia or MDN etc and then post code there and make fun of the new developers.
I don't agree that this is the standard of being a developer. A developer always look forward to help not to piss off newbies.
If they're so curious about their database size then they should not let anyone use it at all. People have Wikipedia and more over websites for each programming language, that had a forum made up of actual programmers. Who really know how to help. People like newbies are always pissed off on SO. Its more like just a professional q&a site not programming enthusiasts.
Favourite line: Throw me to them wolves and close the gate up. I am afraid of what will happen to them wolves - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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I have never had any issue on SO. Most of the downvoted questions that I have seen have been because OP asked a question that is covered by 10 other previous posts, did not show any work, is vague, or is asking for recommendations that are often going to be biased.
If, however, you do research and ensure that there are no other answers on SO that fit your situation, AND you create a well written post that shows what you have done, shows where you are having the problem, explains what you THINK is going on, etc, it will get answered.
I have found that if I write my post, and look at the right hand pane there are a bunch of suggestions, and often I have found my answer there without posting, maybe 10 our of 15 times.
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You've never had any issue? Well you clearly have not used it enough then. Pandu's mentioned problem is very real, but is compounded by the oligarchic design of the site. The authors and moderators argue that it helps to keep the content "pure" and reduces the garbage content, but it's an outdated very unfriendly methodology that punishes naive users who don't deserve to be punished, and in many cases prevents useful knowledge from being captured just because it doesn't meet the overlords' idealistic view of what the site should be.
You can't change a vote after you've voted. You can't edit your own comment after 5 minutes. You can't delete a question if it has answers. Rules like this hurt the quality of a crowdsourced website, they don't improve it.
Stack Overflow is an incredibly valuable resource. But it's valuable despite its horribly restrictive and big brotherish design, not because of it.
Sad but true: 4/3 of Americans have difficulty with simple fractions.
There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I have used it quite a bit. I have 3500 rep, have answered 195 questions and asked 65 of my own. I have been downvoted before, a few times rightfully so, a few times without explanation. As with any community there are bad apples who will downvote someone for no real reason, and there are others who, due to the lack of tone on the internet perceive an incorrect tone in a post and downvote for that. I will admit that there is an English bias on the site and non-native speakers who do not make themselves clearly understood have a hard time, and are unfortunately downvoted because of it. I will also admit that I have seen some downvoting issues that were unwarranted, and they were dealt with through reversion.
Most of the cases of downvote oblivion that I have seen were from people posting a simple explanation of a problem with no background, no code, no evidence that they have done anything to solve it themselves and then they demand answers.
My first question, when I had no rep, got downvoted, I used the experience to better my question and I received a thoughtful and educational answer because of it, and an upvote which made a bit of an improvement (downvotes cost 2 rep, upvotes give 10 rep IIRC). The site has worked wonderfully for me.
Now, my question is, any of you who say the site sucks, have you gone on Meta-Stackoverflow and voiced your concerns? What was the outcome? While I am not personal friends with the moderators of either site, they have listened to my concerns in the past and I am not a power-user or top contributor.
The above is not meant to put you on the defensive. I am not attacking you. I genuinely want to know, because I frequent the site, and want to know specifics in an effort to make it better.
Lastly, you can change a vote. I have done it myself not two minutes ago (as a test). Questions with answers can be deleted but the deletion has to be voted on. And I don't see how not being able to edit a comment detracts from the quality of the site. It keeps people accountable for what they say to a certain degree. 5 minutes is enough time to read 500 characters to ensure that it was punctuated and spelled correctly and is grammatically correct, and after that if you called someone a jackass it's there and can't be taken back.
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