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...and attach bluetooth devices to their phone and find files on their MacBook Air desktop!
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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My wife refers to me as a geek; socially awkward at times, but capable of having a social life, a job and leading a family.
To her, nerds are those that live in their parents houses, fail school/college/university because they won't stop gaming all night - almost zero ambition to better themselves, just live in a fantasy world.
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Tim Carmichael wrote: nerds are those that live in their parents houses, fail school/college/university because they won't stop gaming all night - almost zero ambition to better themselves, just live in a fantasy world.
I thought that was a neckbeard or NEET (not in education, employment, or training)  To me the difference between a geek and nerd is a matter of the scope and depth of your knowledge. Geeks are a wider scope but limited depth. Nerds are a narrower scope but deeper depth. Where you draw the line is personal since it's more of a spectrum.
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When in doubt, turn to jargon.txt.
geek[^]
A person who has chosen concentration rather than conformity; one who pursues skill (especially technical skill) and imagination, not mainstream social acceptance. Geeks usually have a strong case of neophilia. Most geeks are adept with computers and treat hacker as a term of respect, but not all are hackers themselves — and some who are in fact hackers normally call themselves geeks anyway, because they (quite properly) regard ‘hacker’ as a label that should be bestowed by others rather than self-assumed.
nerd[^]
Pejorative applied to anyone with an above-average IQ and few gifts at small talk and ordinary social rituals.
/ravi
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I agree that Nerd is strongly pejorative, and in some contexts might imply that the person doesn't know their subject matter all that well, though they think they do.
These days, Geek has a much more positive social slant. For example Public libraries recently did a "Geek the Library"/"What Do You geek?" campaign. And someone asked in a Penguicon discussion if they could be considered a geek about sports. 
It seemed like the writing on BBT got very lazy early-on, and I stopped watching. It went from "Haha, they have found an absurdly creative way to make bunnies the most fearsome creature in this game!" to "Hurr-hurr, they are playing a board game!"
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Nerds are studious. Geeks are circus performers.
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Geeks are (like circus geeks) unusual in the way they show their passion. Nerds are unusual in the depth of their passion. A geek will bite the head off a chicken. A nerd will spend days analyzing the bite marks.
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For me, GEEK applied to technology. And more socially capable.
Nerd covered the socially awkward kids playing Dungeons and Dragons, getting too deep into ANY of the Sci-Fi stuff, etc.
I was a Geek, I had friends who were both nerds and geeks.
But in a foreign country... I could see the challenge. The two words could be interchanged. In Big Bang Theory, I consider them mostly nerds!
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Thanks for referring to TBBT! 
Yes exactly this is the point - at least regional around Vienna where I live, nobody ever ever uses the term "geek" - in fact, if I tell someone, that I am in theory more a geek than a nerd, I get back "Geek? What's that?"
The thing is, here (again: at least regional), TBBT "created" the word "nerd" for the masses. Now everybody referres to "crazy tech/science people" as nerds - no matter if they play games, develop, repair printers for live for their mother-in-law  or are chemists/physicians.
It's been years that I heard the word "geek" the last time. Even some of the very young junior dev's know "nerd" very well but you get a ... confused look from them if you refer to geeks.
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The venn is missing the "wears pocket protector" and "has calculator strapped to their hip in a zippered leather (or simulated plastic leather) holster."
In my day (1970's), nerds, a pejorative term btw, gave themselves by what they wore.
The term geek, also pejorative, existed but in my circle of friends wasn't used as often.
Maybe because that's what we were.
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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If I had the inclination to really consider it I would say that the two are closely akin to each other however:
Geek - Tends to suggest one who while being brilliant may at times often be disconnected from the world around them.
While...
Nerd - Seems to suggest to me that same individual who has managed to circumvent the disconnected state of a burgeoning geek and succeeded at bridging the gap between the technical and the physical world.
Consequently geeks are more common than nerds and typically much more successful integrating and likely more accomplished based on world standards.
Just my thoughts.
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In my life, the term "nerd" is often a pejorative, used as a label for people you do not like. "Geek" is applied to someone who has deep technical knowledge.
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I just looked up the dictionary definition of a geek.
Originally a geek was a carnival performer who performed wild or disgusting acts such as biting the heads off live chickens. How it came to be applied to our present understanding of the term geek I do not know but this original definition has fallen to second place. The first definition of geek is now "an unfashionable or socially inept person."
Maybe geeks bite the heads off live computers!
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A geek finds a great deal of interest in computers and electronic gizmos; they show little interest in athletic sports, and tend to goofiness, and shyness. Their lack of physical prowess suggests they are more easily dominated than others.
A nerd is a victim of society due to a lack of aptitude, both physically and mentally. Someone to destroy.
In a mechanistic world, they are co-victims, and therefore the terms become confused as people attempt to distance themselves from the contests of bullies, and so on, of schoolyards and barrooms. Of course, the entertainment media settles upon stereotypes to which the audience can relate.
These words can be confused easily. You shouldn't think of yourself as a nerd, IMHO, unless you're really weird.
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You're right on the nerd-as-victim. The movie "Revenge of the Nerds" had a ring to it because you wouldn't imagine nerds being ept enough to exact an effective revenge. "Revenge of the Geeks" would be something else entirely.
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It's the golden anniversary of the development of the Simula programming language, and I was reading an article evidently from the university that developed it.
50 years anniversary of Simula, the first object-oriented programming language - Universitetet i Oslo[^]
The article says that object-oriented languages were not of general interest to researchers until the '80s. However, my understanding of the famous PARC program of the early '70s was that Smalltalk was developed there. And then C++ was developed in the late '70s (the developer stated that he borrowed very heavily from Simula).
So is this article wrong on this? Or am I wrong?
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swampwiz wrote: (the developer stated that he borrowed very heavily from Simula
Because "borrowed" is not a recognised OO practice.
had he "inherited,", or perhaps "encapsulated" or even "polymrphed" from Simula, now that would be different.
But yeah, actually I believe you are correct, I've heard/read the same too (- I think way back in my distant past uni days so no idea of the references.)
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It has two sides...
All those copied the OO ides didn't made into a science, but used it because it was good and useful. In the late 80's it was put down in a scientific way and more languages designed along its lines and the OO method took over... until that time it was mostly a 'lab issue' and became 'general interest' only when became popular...
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I started computer science at university in 1988.
Back then OO was not taught until the second year - if you chose that subject.
In the first year we were taught structured programming in Pascal.
I think this was largely because, even in 1988, there were still some people on a computer science degree course who had never programmed a computer before.
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I was in college at that time too (1986 - 1992).
If memory serves, Turbo Pascal v5.5 and Turbo C++ v1 were released in 1989/1990.
I bought both as soon as they hit the shelves.
There appeared to be more excitement concerning OOP being added to familiar languages than OOP-specific languages.
I still prefer multi-paradigm languages.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: I still prefer multi-paradigm languages.
I think that is why I really like C# and .NET as I can use the procedural parts, the OO parts and the functional and declarative parts(Lambdas and LINQ) and not be forced into any one paradigm.
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