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It's okay, it's dead. It is cut by vertebrae, so it may well prove funions!
veni bibi saltavi
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I am with griff here, slowly, but I always like anchovies studded in lamb when roasting. What's also good is say devoting a joint and stuffing it with mint sauce, well, a few tables spoons of it. Got to be home made mint sauce though, well vinegary, it really cuts into the fat and connective tissue and seems to dissolve it.
Don't know how to apply that to neck though, but perhaps a lab ashore hot pot recipe will be best?
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So, how was it after cooked?
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Dont know if this pizza exists, I have never seen it, but the ingredients are a classic combination so I gave it a try and the results were, quite simply, mind blowingly good.
Ingredients:
1 Soft fresh goats cheese, the stuff that in a bit of liquid. http://www.bonniebluefarm.com/images/Sales/06-12-21-Goat-Cheese-PC0800.jpg[^]
2 Honey
3 Walnuts
4 Mint
The goats cheese is very moist, and provides both the base and cheese, so put it on in blobs, sprinkle on cracked walnuts, drizzle with honey, and sprinkle on some, chopped mint. Finish with a drizzle of olive oil. And after cooking, some more mint.
It is incredibly good. Seriously, the best pizza I ever ate. 
(Pistachios would also be good, and you could add a few thin slices of pear too. These are all classic combinations).
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Goat's cheese and honey is a classic combination anyway, so there's no reason why it shouldn;t work as a pizza.
The main thing is to avoid pineapple on any pizza - there will always be someone who insists it is needed... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Yes, very much a classic combination. Round the mes there are many variants of mint and cheese in pastry parcels fried, and of course nuts and cheese sales too, but try this pizza recipe, it really comes together well, stunningly well in fact.
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"Yummy pizza" is a pleonasm
Pizza is a lot like sex. When it's good, it's really good. When it's bad, it's still pretty good.
Pizza is life.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Pizza is life.
There are so many things that you have yet to discover...
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Or, perhaps you need to find a better supply of pizza.
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I do need to find better pizzas, but there are still things that would give me more satisfaction than the most ambrosial of pizzas.
I'm certain that you can come up with a few... 
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Or perhaps I've discovered it all, but found nothing better than pizza
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Sander Rossel wrote: When it's bad, it's still pretty good.
Unless it involves Fred in the neighboring cell taking a fancy to you.
OK, technically you're right, it will still be good. For Fred.
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Perhaps you're in this all wrong.
Treat Fred to pizza, make him feel special. Thing will get better
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True, it's fundamentally tasty. Must be the speed of cooking, I have a wood oven in the yard, it's amazing, really. Takes a bit of getting to know, but it's also good for tandoori food as well, and slow roasting joints.
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There's no gripe from you like this or whatever else someone calls pizza.
But classic? I think not!.
I've has pizza in Italy (in case anyone asks) - which is just plain flattened bread. Everything else is a topping. Everything.
Fortunately, I live in the place that is truly the source of the best pizza on earth: NYC and vicinity.* I wish it were otherwise - that this heavenly repast was universally available, but not so. Every mouthful a Bacchanalia of sauce and cheese in its own right.
I've had tasty surrogates (in Chicago, for example) - but they only share in common the same basic ingredients. Taste - bite for bite - NY vs Chicago - heaven and earth.*
The comment, above, about pineapple - is correct. A vile crime.
On the other hand - a topping of breaded eggplant - one step shy of an orgasm.
* Things that are sold by sources such as Dominoes and Pizza Slut couldn't even be passed off as waste.
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I don't understand your first bit, but by 'classic' I meant the goats cheese nuts and honey combo, as Griff says, it's a classic.
As for pizza though, yes, there are no rules,. Tomatoes were introduced from the Americas in the 16 th century, so before that they were all cheese-oil based, or cream.
Tarts flambé is a kind of pizza, from Alcase, sour cream, onions, bacon bits, bloody good it is too.
Focaccia, the Italian bread with say, olives, rod,wry, olive oil and coarse salt, is a kind of pizza too, as is pissaladiere, possibly the original pizza, made with stewed down onions, anchovies and black olives. It's also delicious.
However, the best pizzas are in Italy, There is nothing anywhere near as good.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: However, the best pizzas are in Italy, There is nothing anywhere near as good.
Now you're just being silly.
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Well, one would think that they cold be as good elsewhere, but they just arent. What is it, the ingredients? The specise of oak used for the wood fire, the beef tomato? The plum tomato, the Italian mozzalrella? Who knows, but I have heard many say that US ingredients dont have the same (or as god as a) flavour as in Europe. (I know this to be true of artichokes for example).
But anyway, I was in Aosta skiing many years ago. By god the food was good, and the pizzas were amazing. Never had one as good anywhere in the world. (The bruschetta was also superb, the steak and courgettes amazing, and on and on and on, just everything was incredible. Perhaps that is Italy, doing its thing, producing food that just better.)
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Who knows, but I have heard many say that US ingredients dont have the same (or as god as a) flavour as in Europe.
Oddly, not to 'pick a fight', but my comment is plain and simple: European Arrogance.
In addition - I don't know how what you ate was cooked, but a proper NYC Pizza is cooked in a very hot (600F/315C roughly, varies by Pizzeria) oven with a stone bottom. It's actually note even baked in any normal sense, but is rather cooked through the bottom, through the dough. The top still cook, the crust browns, etc., at that temperature - but there is magic. You don't need fancy or expensive ingredients - the Monday night Special where I live (which now I'll have to get) is $12, tax include, or about 10 Euro, I believe. Most intriguingly, the best ones absolutely do not come from the expensive restaurants. The price goes up a couple or three Euro during most days of the week - but another shop will have a Tuesday special, etc., so there's always a way.
I've never eaten here yet it's 100% familiar.[^]
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Pizza is cooked in a very hot (600F/315C roughly, varies by Pizzeria) oven with a stone bottom
Yes, and the best burn wood for the slightly smokey flavour they impart. I have one in my yard, and a very nice pizza it makes too.
Looking at your link though and right away you have the problem with US pizzas, too much cheese! A pizza is not cheese on toast, it should look like this: Ristorante Pizzeria Imperia (Oneglia) - Picture of Ristorante Pizzeria Imperia, Imperia - TripAdvisor[^]
bits of cheese here and there, but plenty of space for other ingredients to get some heat, and for the base to get cooked. The base often shows through in places all over the pizza the topping is so light.
What you get is crispier, lighter, with more distinct flavours instead of the 'tomato and cheese soup' US pizzas have. Plus US cheese....
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I looked at you link - that kind of pizza would leave them all on the unemployment line in NYC. I'd be ashamed to take that out of my home oven.
As for toppings - the pizza I showed you has a huge amount of rooms for toppings (hint: you simply put them on top of the 18" (>0.5m) diameter circle.
Munchies_Matt wrote: 'tomato and cheese soup' US pizzas have. Plus US cheese....
Obviously, then, you've never eaten one. But the most important point you made - that typical Euro-arrogance about cheese or any type of food: as though you've some monopoly on quality or taste. Well, news flash for you: anyone who was any good at cooking emigrated to here long ago.
And THIS [^]is what a pizzaria should look like - food to be eat and enjoyed - without a tux and tie.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I'd be ashamed to take that out of my home oven
And thats the big diference. In italy they are delicate, light, plenty of space for toppings to cook and not in the cheese soup that a US pizza is.  Deep pan is, by nature, a US invention.
As for ingredients and quality, I can only go by my own experience, and what I have heard from others, that US stuff isnt as good as European produce.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: eep pan is, by nature, a US invention.
In Chicago - and I didn't bring that up. Like the stuff you call pizza, all it has in common with REAL PIZZA is the same basic ingredients. Although from the sound of what you'd put on a pizza, it's really bread baked with assorted toppings. That stuff you alluded to, when you started the thread, is not pizza. Just bread baked with assorted toppings. The sauce-and-cheese soup you refer to? Not likely for food that is delightfully designed to be folded, picked up with the hands, and eaten.
Munchies_Matt wrote: As for ingredients and quality, I can only go by my own experience, and what I have heard from others, that US stuff isnt as good as European produce.
As I've mentioned, typical Euro-Arrogance.
The Top 10 BEST FOOD CITIES in the World | The Culinary Capitals of the World[^] Look at Number One. Do you want to know why? Because we embrace the diversity. Best of all, you don't have to put a week's pay down on the table when you're done. You could - but the only thing you'd gain is a better wardrobe on the waiter. I prefer a young girl in short-shorts bring the food, myself, but you know - different strokes and all that.
But the cool part? In NYC we don't worry about the worthless details of culinary snobbery. We just simply taste it, which is the real point. Like US$500 single malt scotch. Not significantly different than the US$50 bottle. The only beneficiary of gastronomic arrogance are egos (so long as they don't look back and see that they're being laughed at) and those who convinced you that it's worth it to give them too much of your money. The Continental Placebo Effect.
I don't give a flying elephant who's produce and cheese are better - the plain simple fact is that the Pizza in NYC area is something special. The other dishes could be wonderful - but they are not pizza.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: from the sound of what you'd put on a pizza, it's really bread baked with assorted toppings
Hey, the Italians invented it, and named it, if you want to use pizza to name a big, round, cheese on toast with tomato sauce thats your problem. The ITALIAN pizza IS bread with topppings, as is their pissaladiere[^] and their
focaccia[^]
(in fact pissaladiere is most likely the original pizza). Starting to see a trend here?
As for your list, its incorrect. Lyon has the reputation of being the best place in France to eat, but it isnt true. It *might* have been good, 100 years ago, but quite frankly, when a cities trade mark dish is a 'Rosette de Lyon' (sliced salami arranged in a flower shape) you know its time to move on.
Barcelona too isnt that good. Yes its got a few good restaurants, but they are based on reputation and you can eat equally well at many other towns on the Coats Brava.
As for Paris thats a laugh. Yes, like any other big city, its bound to get it right on occasion, but outside of the big obvious names like Ducasse the best I ate there was Thai, and the vast majority of its French restaurants are serving up the same old tired dishes that quite frankly just arent that good these days. (French onion soup, creme brule etc)
Cant comment personally on the rest, and no surprises NYC is ranked because of its variety, since it has a large population of virtually every country on earth in it, but let me say again, based on the comments of AMERICANS who have said US ingredients dont have the same flavour as European one, which I can affirm based on my time there (Idaho potatoes are nothing special, artichokes lack the bite, and US beef isnt irony in taste).
So your list looks to be based on perception rather than reality, past reputations and a scattering of stars. I see Thailand got in there with Bangkok, how about Hong Kong? That was an awesome place to eat from what I have heard, and how about somewhere in India? Is all Indian cuisine going to be ignored? Does Rome, Bologna, San Remo, Naples or Florence not have good food? Its the usual kind of list you read in a sunday newspaper, like bucket lists, its group think, light weight, and not serious.
(Oh, and I can eat good food on the coast near me for say 30 euros a head, with wine, all while wearing swimming shorts and a T shirt, so dont think European food is about snob value and expensive.)
SO lets just admit that:
1) US ingredients are by nature not as good as Italian ones.
2) Let Italians define pizza.
And admit that in Italy pizza is pizza at its best.
--edit--
A load of internet noise on US produce tasting dull: Google[^]
modified 28-Sep-16 2:27am.
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