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GeneralBaffling browser behavior of the daymemberDan Neely13 Oct '12 - 7:12 
If, via url autocomplete, I go to what is apparently chase's old logon page ( https://chaseonline.chase.com/Logon.aspx ); Opera throws a browser modal messagebox reporting the lack of a disk in my CD ( D: ) drive. This doesn't happen in other browsers (FF15, IE9); or if I go directly to https://www.chase.com which has at some point in the last few years squired its down login box.
 
Nothing in Opera's error console, or the page source indicates trying to access anything at that file path.
 
Somehow I don't think I'll be paying my card today.
 
PS Links were intentionally left nonn-clickable due to the possibility that the WTF behavior could be due to a site hack.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
 

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

GeneralRe: Baffling browser behavior of the daymemberZac Greve13 Oct '12 - 7:42 
What version? 12.02 doesn't do that for me.

I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image.
Stephen Hawking

JokeOTmemberRutvik Dave13 Oct '12 - 7:50 
I can see 3D without 3D glasses... Poke tongue | ;-P
JokeRe: OTmemberZac Greve13 Oct '12 - 8:20 

Oh really?

 

I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image.
Stephen Hawking

GeneralRe: Baffling browser behavior of the daymemberDan Neely13 Oct '12 - 8:02 
Same version. And apparently only on my w7-64 desktop. Vista32 laptop loaded normally as well.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
 

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

GeneralRe: Baffling browser behavior of the daymemberZac Greve13 Oct '12 - 8:06 
D'Oh! | :doh: I had the portable version running (I personally don't like opera), but I don't think that would have made a difference. Try running a virus scan.

I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image.
Stephen Hawking

GeneralRe: Baffling browser behavior of the daymemberMark Wallace13 Oct '12 - 22:45 
I'd do a virus scan. You may have a rogue BHO that looks for that address.
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GeneralRe: Baffling browser behavior of the daymemberDan Neely14 Oct '12 - 11:47 
Virus scanning turned up nothing beyond the usual doggy javascript that ad companies try to slip past smaller sites. Wierdness didn't persist across a reboot however.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
 

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

GeneralRe: Baffling browser behavior of the daymemberRoger Wright13 Oct '12 - 23:51 
Come over to the Dark Side... My Chrome browser works very nicely on the Chase site. Big Grin | :-D
Will Rogers never met me.

GeneralRe: Baffling browser behavior of the daymemberDan Neely14 Oct '12 - 11:48 
I'll consider chrome if they reconsider not having a separate search box (and implement it).
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
 

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

GeneralArmed forces medical exhibition.memberPHS24113 Oct '12 - 6:14 
I watched this short video on Auntie[^] about the way soldiers are treated on the battlefield. This morning, the BBC news studio interviewed a nurse involved in treating wounded soldiers at Camp Bastion in Afghanistan and a soldier who lost both lower legs and an arm in an IED bomb. I then watched this short video and collectively, I don't just appreciate much more what the troops are exposed to but I also have wonderful admiration for those behind the lines who look after them. The nurse described how all troops are shown basic first aid which helps to give the wounded a better chance of survival but when they can do no more, how fantastic a job is done back at base and the wounded's repatriation back home, sometimes to have family and friends with them before they die from from the awful injuries they endured.
 
There is good for all of us as much of the work treating soldiers injuries is improving our prospects of surviving serious road accidents for example which require A&E admission.
 
The exhibition is in Greater Manchester and I would love to be there and see it. If anyone does live there and hasn't heard of it, I'm sure it's very worthwhile.Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:
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GeneralRe: Armed forces medical exhibition.memberjschell13 Oct '12 - 11:11 
That isn't new. Medicine in war especially in rapid response, but not limited to that, has been moving into non-military uses for a long time.
GeneralRe: Armed forces medical exhibition.memberForogar14 Oct '12 - 3:58 
To clarify for the American viewers:
Quote:
...which require A&E admission.
means ..."which require ER admission". "A&E" is not a documentary channel, but stands for "Accident & Emergency".
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits.
- Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most.
- I vaguely remember having a good memory...

GeneralWeird friendsmember_Peeves13 Oct '12 - 3:03 
The most unusual one I've had was the son of a terrorist leader. I no longer have any idea where he is, possibly dead. (I knew about his dad at the time. We were both in our teens)
 
Even now, most of my friends are dimetrically opposite in character. I'm a borderline recluse. Looks like opposites really attract.
GeneralRe: Weird friendsmemberBrady Kelly13 Oct '12 - 4:17 
All my friends are quite weird. It's quite funny when I see old, non-weird friends, or other people's friends, to see what so called normal friends look like.
GeneralRe: Weird friendsmemberKenneth Haugland13 Oct '12 - 8:46 
Quote:
no longer have any idea where he is

Thanks for the info, we'll search somewhere else then Poke tongue | ;-P
GeneralRe: Weird friendsmemberForogar14 Oct '12 - 4:00 
All my friends are weird - although they seem perfectly normal to me - they (we) all work in IT!
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits.
- Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most.
- I vaguely remember having a good memory...

GeneralRe: Weird friendsmemberjsc4214 Oct '12 - 23:42 
Which border's line are you a recluse of? Have you tried looking over the other side of the line of the border for your friend?
GeneralAsus N56VM - Spec. ConfusionmemberMike-MadBadger13 Oct '12 - 2:49 
Anyone know what in the heck the Asus spec. naming actually specifies?
 
I am looking at the N56VM in i7 guise (or, if it gets released in the UK, the 17" equivalent). It seems to come as one of these:
 
N56VM S4034V
N56VM S3113V
N56VM S4110V
 
It's not obvious if there is a consistent difference between them.
Both the 4034 and 4110 can come withe the 3610QM CPU or the 2670QM.
Or you can get them in i5 guise, which I thought was the N55VM!
You can get them with the GTX 630M, GT 630M, GT555 or GT635M.
Some claim to be 1600 x 900, some say 1366 x 768.
 
I can understand they come with different memory capcity, HD size but the version part of the name seems to signify nothing in particular Confused | :confused:
 
Any help or recommendations very welcome....
To be used with VS2010, 2012, GIMP, VirtualBox (linux) plus general use and very occassional games.
 
Thanks,
Mike
GeneralThinking unconventionally. [modified]membergeekbond13 Oct '12 - 2:20 
Some time ago an independent arbiter received a call from a colleague, who asked if he would be the referee on the grading of an examination question. He was about to give a student a zero for his answer to a physics question, while the student claimed he should receive a perfect score and would if the system were not set up against the student.
 
The instructor and the student agreed to an impartial arbiter, and I(the arbiter) was selected. I went to my colleague's office and read the examination question: "Show how it is possible to determine the height of a tall building with the aid of a barometer."
 
The student had answered: "Take the barometer to the top of the building, attach a long rope to it, lower it to the street, and then bring it up, measuring the length of the rope. The length of the rope is the height of the building."
 
I pointed out that the student really had a strong case for full credit since he had really answered the question completely and correctly. On the other hand, if full credit were given, it could well contribute to a high grade in his physics course. A high grade is supposed to certify competence in physics, but the answer did not confirm this. I suggested that the student have another try at answering the question. I was not surprised that my colleague agreed, but I was surprised when the student did.
 
I gave the student six minutes to answer the question with the warning that the answer should show some knowledge of physics. At the end of five minutes, he had not written anything. I asked if he wished to give up, but he said no. He had many answers to this problem; he was just thinking of the best one. I excused myself for interrupting him and asked him to please go on. In the next minute, he dashed off his answer which read:
 
"Take the barometer to the top of the building and lean over the edge of the roof. Drop the barometer, timing its fall with a stopwatch. Then, using the formula x=0.5g * t^2, calculate the height of the building."
 
At this point, I asked my colleague if he would give up. He conceded, and gave the student almost full credit. In leaving my colleague's office, I recalled that the student had said that he had other answers to the problem, so I asked him what they were.
 
"Well," said the student. "there are many ways of getting the height of a tall building with the aid of a barometer. For example, you could take the barometer out on a sunny day and measure the height of the barometer, the length of its shadow, and the length of the shadow of the building, and by the use of simple proportion, determine the height of the building."
 
"Fine," I said, "and others?"
 
"Yes," said the student." There is a very basic measurement method you will like. In this method, you take the barometer and begin to walk up the stairs. As you climb the stairs, you mark off the length of the barometer along the wall. You then count the number of marks, and this will give you the height of the building in barometer units.
 
"A very direct method."
 
"Of course. If you want a more sophisticated method, you can tie the barometer to the end of a string, swing it as a pendulum, and determine the value of g at the street level and at the top of the building. From the difference between the two values of g, the height of the building, in principle, can be calculated."
 
"On this same tack, you could take the barometer to the top of the building, attach a long rope to it, lower it to just above the street, and then swing it as a pendulum. You could then calculate the height of the building by the period of the precession".
 
"Finally," he concluded, "there are many other ways of solving the problem. Probably the best," he said, "is to take the barometer to the basement and knock on the superintendent's door. When the superintendent answers, you speak to him as follows: 'Mr. Superintendent, here is a fine barometer. If you will tell me the height of the building, I will give you this barometer.'"
 
At this point, I asked the student if he really did know the conventional answer to this question. He admitted that he did, but said that he was fed up with high school and college instructors trying to "teach him to think". Laugh | :laugh:
 
~PS: The Student was Niels Bohr, a scientist with a sense of humour, one of the few Dane to win a Nobel Prize for physics.
 
~'I' in the article refers to the arbiter.
It is a great pity that human beings cannot find all of their satisfaction in scientific contemplativeness. -Neils Bohr


modified 14 Oct '12 - 7:58.

GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally.member_Peeves13 Oct '12 - 2:46 
Niels Bohr. Possibly an urban legend. Ask snopes.
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally.memberKenneth Haugland13 Oct '12 - 4:28 
Probably didn't happen, at least it does not seem to have anything to do with Bohr.
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally. RE: your post looks like plagiarismmemberDrABELL13 Oct '12 - 4:13 
Sir,
Please let me tell you that the story you have posted is a well known joke, presumably attributed to Niels Bohr (I bet you know this name). The joke has been around for many decades: just take a look at this reference on Internet: http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/barometer.asp[^]
It's a very confusing that:
1). Your writing, seemingly in the first person, presents a story as your personal experience
2). This story is attributed to Nobel Prize winner for physics Niels Bohr, but in your message there's no any attribution to the real story originator, and/or any other references

Because of that your post can be possibly qualified as a case of plagiarism. Please clarify this issue.
Also, please check/correct the formula that you have posted: it should be H=0.5g*t^2, as per the article mentioned above.
Regards,
AB
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally. RE: your post looks like plagiarismmembergeekbond13 Oct '12 - 4:34 
Issues clarified. Thank you.
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally. RE: your post looks like plagiarismmemberDrABELL13 Oct '12 - 7:02 
You are welcome, Sir!
 
Well, it's appreciated that you've corrected the formula as it appears in the original article (link: http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/barometer.asp[^], and added some hyperlinks, though it should be appropriate to clearly and unambiguously indicate that your post is essentially a "copy-paste job" of that article, plus some errors and moralization added.
 
Second, by virtue of reading carefully the comments thread to the same article, you should notice that another person added a correction, pointing at two Danes, Nobel Prize winners for physics, namely:
1). Niels Henrik David Bohr, wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr[^]
2). Benjamin Roy Mottelson, wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Roy_Mottelson[^]
 
Thus, you should probably make another correction in your post. Last but not least, and sorry for a bit of irony: do you think that the person posting under "Thinking unconventionally" subject line probably should add some examples of such "unconventional thinking" of his/her own, rather than copy-pasting a joke well known for half a century+ under his/her name? I would say so; it's called "lead by example"...
Thanks and regards,
AB
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally. RE: your post looks like plagiarismmemberBrady Kelly13 Oct '12 - 5:37 
I think geekbond's only, and minor, misdeed was posting such a well known joke. The tone of the post so quickly falls into the didactic that it dispels any notion that geekbond was attempting to pass this off as personal experience.
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally. RE: your post looks like plagiarismmemberjschell13 Oct '12 - 11:17 
DrABELL wrote:
The joke has been around for many decades

 
I can note that I heard it 10 years before the date on that link. And I doubt that it was new then.
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally. RE: your post looks like plagiarismmemberDrABELL13 Oct '12 - 11:42 
Yeah, I agree. It was actually one of the favorite jokes of my previous boss long, long time ago. Also, the actual line in original text (not in the kinda erroneous 'copy-paste replica' that I put under criticism) refers to University of Copenhagen, Denmark (not the high school/college mentioned in that ill-fated post), so the joke per se probably can be traced back to the dawn of last Century (1903-1911, Niels Bohr period as a student). But it is not forgotten, obviously...
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally. RE: your post looks like plagiarismmemberBillWoodruff14 Oct '12 - 14:25 
No truly original material has ever been posted on the Lounge.
 
Except for this message.
 
best, Bill
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GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally.memberahmed zahmed13 Oct '12 - 4:47 
geekbond wrote:
Nobel Price
Nobel Prize, or did Niels buy it?
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GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally.protectorMarc Clifton13 Oct '12 - 6:03 
Well, regardless of whether this is attributed to Niels Bohr or not, it still is a great story pointing out how we immediately constrain our thinking about a solution to the context of the problem (the problem being, in reality, getting a good grade, not measuring the building's height.)
 
Marc

GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally.memberKenneth Haugland13 Oct '12 - 7:11 
Not to mention that using a barometer is a very inaccurate measurement of height, you would always be better off asking the janitor or taking a laser with you. Big Grin | :-D
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally.memberDrABELL13 Oct '12 - 7:15 
Big Grin | :-D
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally.memberDrABELL13 Oct '12 - 7:14 
Marc,
The real issue here is about proper attribution to others' work. The story is indeed great, as many other great things, but betcha you will not present Maxwell's equations, or Pythagorean theorem as your own work? Lucky enough, such phenomenally great pieces of work carry the attribution to the originator in the very name, but there are also smaller things that are not so clearly associated with their authors, thus, following the rule of professional ethics, proper attribution is a must!
Have a great day.
Kind Regards,
AB
GeneralRe: Thinking unconventionally.memberGary R. Wheeler13 Oct '12 - 23:50 
It was an amusing story posted on a geek web forum, not a peer-reviewed essay in Science.
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GeneralSign of timememberPascal Ganaye12 Oct '12 - 23:41 
Today I changed my profile from
 
Quote:
I am a French programmer.
These days I spend most of my time within the .NET framework.

to
Quote:
I am a French programmer.
These days I spend most of my time with the .NET framework, JavaScript and html.

Is it the beginning of the end of the love story?
GeneralRe: Sign of timememberMark Wallace12 Oct '12 - 23:45 
Pascal Ganaye wrote:
I am a French programmer.

I've never used the French programming language.
 
I hear it's objectionably oriented.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

GeneralRe: Sign of timememberPascal Ganaye12 Oct '12 - 23:48 
Pascal perhaps?
GeneralRe: Sign of timememberDario Solera13 Oct '12 - 0:16 
Same here (except the French part).
I feel good in fact.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker]
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GeneralRe: Sign of timememberBrady Kelly13 Oct '12 - 3:28 
I spend all of my coding time loving .NET, HTML, JavaScript, and CSS to bits. Especially CSS. So no, I don't think this indicates a necessary end of any love.
GeneralRe: Sign of timememberDrABELL13 Oct '12 - 4:19 
Pascal,
Relax and take it easy: even Microsoft Programmer-veterans time to time have to switch from DOS to Windows Smile | :)
Have a great weekend.
Best,
Alexander
GeneralI'm knackered!member_Maxxx_12 Oct '12 - 17:14 
So we walked into the wife's new shop with the computer ready to set up, thinking about being ready to open in n hour or two.
Hadn't even put stuff down before customers came in - have t stopped since ! (I've been computer troubleshooting not serving choccy)
Time for a beer
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(That's an 'M')

GeneralRe: I'm knackered!subeditorWalt Fair, Jr.13 Oct '12 - 13:41 
Congratulations! That sounds like a good opening day so far. I hope it continues and is a long term success!
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Generalcurious, you able to get your wife tell you her weight?memberdevvvy12 Oct '12 - 16:36 
(trust me it's difficult. Even more difficult try get your coworker to tell you their BMI or BF ratio)
dev

GeneralRe: curious, you able to get your wife tell you her weight?memberChris Losinger12 Oct '12 - 17:06 
yes

GeneralRe: curious, you able to get your wife tell you her weight?member_Maxxx_12 Oct '12 - 17:10 
Curious - why do you want to know
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way
___________________________________________
Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
 
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(That's an 'M')

GeneralRe: curious, you able to get your wife tell you her weight?memberdevvvy13 Oct '12 - 5:23 
because after getting married for this many I still dont know!
dev

GeneralRe: curious, you able to get your wife tell you her weight?mvpOriginalGriff12 Oct '12 - 21:50 
I have the converse problem: how do you stop her telling you everything that crosses her mind? Believe me, this is a lot harder - I've been trying for twenty years!
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

GeneralRe: curious, you able to get your wife tell you her weight?memberJörgen Andersson12 Oct '12 - 22:54 
That's a much bigger problem, if you ever find a solution, I'm all ears.
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak.
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GeneralRe: curious, you able to get your wife tell you her weight?memberdevvvy13 Oct '12 - 5:28 
i can see there's some logic in this!
dev

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