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Hi, I'm very new to object oriented programming. Having just read Text editor Vs IDE[^] do folks think from the start it would be better to learn using a text editor rather than an IDE (Honest question...don't want to start any arguments  )?
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IDE - no contest.
It helps you at every turn: it prompts you with method names and properties, it helps remind you of function parameters, and it tells you when you misspell something as you go along. It handles indentation, and it works exactly the same when debugging as it does when you are editing.
Ignore the purists: I started with text editors and I wouldn't go back!
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Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Exactly. 
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OriginalGriff wrote: I started with text editors and I wouldn't go back!
Same here!
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Well, technically I didn't start with text editors: it was punched cards, which were like text editors with bad attitude and no "backspace" key... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: punched cards
:cringe:, painful. Mine was vi, tough at first until you learned the commands, but not bad for what we were doing. However, it sure as hell beats punched cards.
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vi was a good editor: loads better than the DOS "equivalent" Edlin[^] which was like punched cards, but with backspace.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Sadly, I have used edlin. Thankfully though, not for many years,
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How old were you when Yoda was born?
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Yoda was born?
Wow. I can't imagine him young...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Yes but you could read the holes and it made good confetti.
Just don't drop the tray. 
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djj55 wrote: it made good confetti
Dropped bits!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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They were great for hole art too! Kinda like text art.
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I had forgotten that. Ah the old days. 
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Like you, the first sort algorithm I learnt was the floor sort. 
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Or "Heap sort" as it was also known!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Hee hee. At college we used punched cards, because the lecturer was a b'tard, for machine code projects. By the time I started working the world had moved on to mag tapes and 'washing machine' removable disk platters.
Thems was the days. :nostalgicSigh:
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I had a class that taught us DEC PDP-11 assembly language as preparation for the follow-on course in real-time programming.
We did the projects for the PDP-11 assembly language course on punched cards, running a PDP-11 simulator on the university's IBM mainframe.
This was not a fun experience, since the simulator was a graduate student's thesis project, and not especially, er, complete.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I seem to recall that there was a backspace key - it punched all holes in the column which was read as ASCII 127 or whatever the EBCDIC equivalent was.
What you didn't have was the cursor control keys.
Generally it was as easy to copy the card up to the error and continue from there.
I'd agree about using the IDE being much beter though although the ext editor approach does have a few benifits primarily it encourages you to get the syntax correct in the first place. The even greater benifit of punched cards or more accurately the day's wait for the printout in the bucket run was to ensure that you understood the code you were writing.
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Much as I would like the newbies to feel pain, IDE it helps in leaning syntax...
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My first computer[^] didn't differentiate between entering a basic program one (numbered) line at a time and the command prompt used for everything else.
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OriginalGriff wrote: It helps you at every turn: it prompts you with method names and properties, it helps remind you of function parameters, and it tells you when you misspell something as you go along. It handles indentation, and it works exactly the same when debugging as it does when you are editing.
When they're in a cooperative mood otherwise it's; crash, design editor problems, gets hung in a, what I like to call PMS mode, etc. otherwise it's great.
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Same here press ! To execute shell script , vi ? Vi ? Vi ?
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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If was always fun to realize you had typed your C code into vi and it was executing it as a command string...No! Stop! Noooooooo......
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Yes reminds me of "you have backed up everything haven't you ?" STOP STOP OH NOOOOOOO....
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