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Strange, we just went through true up I saw the costs it was no where near 13k for MSDN.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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VS 2013U MSDN is $13k to subscribe and $4k to renew.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Visual-Studio-Ultimate-2013-with-MSDN/productID.284832100[^]
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I remember when the most expensive MSDN subscription was just $700, and included ALL Microsoft software products, and that was when they actually pressed CDs to deliver and update it.
That was before MS started competing with IBM in selling corporate BOGOware. Unless you're deving for one of the bogoware apps you don't need anything beyond premium, and depending on what your employer's other licensing agreements look like might not even need more than pro (my dev VMs get their OS/etc from corporate site licenses not MSDN). The pricing for the corporate bogo-tools only needs to be cheap compared to the competition; and I've been told the whole set of IBM (ir)Rational garbageware runs upwards of $20k; making VS cheap for the (moronic) mega-corp market it's actually aimed at.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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My point wasn't that I felt that I needed Ultimate - it was the sheer cost of the product compared to what it cost when it was originally introduced, along with the fact that there's no tangible improvement in the product.
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Welcome to the world of tax evasion.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I just bought VS 2013 Pro ($725 in Europe before tax/vat btw) but I definitely feel it's worth it - you do get a lot for your money. That's the point with anything you buy (and sell), IMO - do you feel it's worth the price? If not, you'd probably not buy it.
BTW, I bought Visual Basic 3 many years ago, I paid about $200 (before vat) for it AFAIR (3 diskettes). 
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Holy sh*t. I'm glad I get it free for being a Student!
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...in my dream. Saved Bill Gates from an assassination attempt. We were on heading to the airport and I couldn't wait to post on Code Project that I was flying to CA with Bill Gates (yes, I really did think that in my dream) when we stopped at some weird outdoor bar and some guy came up and pulled a gun on Bill. I tackled the guy but he managed to shoot me in the shoulder. Didn't hurt at all. In the right shoulder -- they say if you dream of an injury in your left shoulder it's a sign that you suffered a heart attack in your sleep. Possibly influenced by watching Star Trek (original) "A Piece of the Action."
And the night before that, I dreamt that Echkart Tolle and the Dalai Lama were having a conversation, and the Dalai Lama said:
"It does not matter what your spiritual belief is and whether you believe it with your head or your heart. What is important is your feet. It matters only what path your feet walk."
How profound! (And no, I hadn't watched Star Wars the night before!)
Marc
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Dreams - like a heavily stubbed and mocked unit test version of reality.
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I dreamed that I was trying to shoot Bill Gates, and some retard jumped in front of him , so I shot him instead (really? he'd take a bullet for Bill Gates?). I think I hit him in the shoulder.
Next time, Gates!!!
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Next time, Gates!!!
It probably won't work until assassination attempt 3.0
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Don't install that one until Service Pack 2 is out! 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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But you wont be able to get that until you've installed mandatory Service Pack 1 Update 1! 
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Last night I had a dream that some star-struck fellow was flying to CA with me. We stopped at an open bar and a crazy Texan pulled out a gun. He was tackled by my traveling buddy, but got shot, so I left before the bar tender stuck me with his tab.
I wonder if he was ok?
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Marc Clifton wrote: I was flying to CA with Bill Gates
You dream about Bill Gates! Seek professional help, now. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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I'm on-line therefore I am.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Didn't hurt at all
I vividly remember two dreams I had as a child where I felt tangible pain: one, I was attacked by wolves and bitten in the side, the other, I was being crushed by an elephant.
Considering the pain I experienced versus the pain you would have experienced from a bullet, I'm glad you DIDN'T feel the pain...
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Marc Clifton wrote: ...in my dream. Saved Bill Gates from an assassination attempt.
So thats how you become a Microsoft MVP!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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The smoke of your dreams is ... fragrant
Seriously, I think the second dream is a real gift.
yours, Bill
“I speak in a poem of the ancient food of heroes: humiliation, unhappiness, discord. Those things are given to us to transform, so that we may make from the miserable circumstances of our lives things that are eternal, or aspire to be so.” Jorge Luis Borges
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Marc Clifton wrote:
"It does not matter what your spiritual belief is and whether you believe it with your head or your heart. What is important is your feet. It matters only what path your feet walk."
Amen to that.
Also read as : People who read self-help books all the time have problems that reading can't fix.
The self help and therapy industry is a vampire preying on people who have been hurt, or have hurt themselves.
I too dabbled in pacifism once.
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Wait... was it a silver bullet????
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"A walk of a thousand miles begins with but a single step".
"For those who live on a smill island, consider reconsidering"
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Marc Clifton wrote: Saved Bill Gates from an assassination attempt.
What were you thinking? Saving Satan? 
If you'd had a CCW permit and a decent gun, and your state let CCW holders carry in a bar, Bill would still be alive and your shoulder wouldn't hurt the next morning.
Marc Clifton wrote: It matters only what path your feet walk.
Having a bag to match the shoes is important, too.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Paulo Augusto Künzel wrote: That is quite a nice incentive.
Sorry, did I miss it? What incentive?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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