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I'm curious, do you consider the first thread demotivating or a bunch of whiners!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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intended to demotivate a bunch of whiners?!
j/k
With the original post, I made a joke on the OP comment, and did not provide context, which is a reference from Despair.com.
The Demovotivators are the name the company www.despair.com[^] gives their line of de-motivational posters that satire motivational posters.
Whiners is not targeted at anyone in particular. I was trolling because, this time with context. The referenced poster is specifically relevant to the current World Cup.
Hopefully everyone is now well aware of the pithy products and statements Despair.com makes in satire of the motivational product industry.
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Paul M Watt wrote: I take full responsibility for this post, flame on
..with an "apology" like this, I can't help myself: don't feed the troll.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I still think it looks like late 70's early 80's alien in a budget Sci-Fi ! 
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Nah...they were mostly round and orange: Beachball with feet[^]
Dark Star[^]
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Yeah, but that was a ship's mascot, not an all powerful being...
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Is it because of the post below? 
Signature construction in progress. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Damn you have the perfect signature - CBadger
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I am still sleeping.. 
The signature is in building process.. Please wait...
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It's the calm before the storm: the hamsters are putting a "diversion all posts" from QA to here to make up for it... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: "diversion all posts" from QA to here
Is the sack filter in place? 
Signature construction in progress. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Damn you have the perfect signature - CBadger
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Does this mean, you also want to belong?
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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I got my annual bonus today, I'm too busy trying to spend it.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Good for you. Don't forget to go to DD for advice. 
Signature construction in progress. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Damn you have the perfect signature - CBadger
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I wasn't planning on blowing it on toners.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Signature construction in progress. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Damn you have the perfect signature - CBadger
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to bad there isn't a share button...  
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Oh the delicious irony... 
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I've been writing & supporting code for commercial and bespoke (mainly business) systems since 1978 on many different platforms and languages, and 36 years later I still love it, still do it for a living, & am writing my best stuff, but look at all the new languages, frameworks, operating systems etc. and think "here we go again" so am getting increasingly reluctant to want to keep re-learning it all once more, and at 52 I still often put in 80+ hour weeks to meet deadlines but can feel a bit of the passion dying year on year, so how long have others kept on? and if you moved away to a different sphere or know of others that did, what did they do? I earn good money which is hard to give up but it isn't the be all and end all, i'm just looking for something different where I can put my experience to good use and have a tad more fun over and above being some sort of 'manager'. Thanks.
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I've been programming, and the associated stuff, since 1975; and I still am. I expect when I die someone will carefully pull the keyboard away from my cold dead fingers, unplug my mouse for the last time and switch off my non-touch screen to save the last ergs of power on the planet.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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_WinBase_ wrote: I still often put in 80+
I have never had to do that. I did put in a year of 60+ hour weeks and that wore me out. I do enjoy development but not when that is all there is in life.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Correct. If you're consistently putting in 80+ hour weeks, you're doing it wrong. Period, full stop.
Either unrealistic goals are being set, or the problem it not well enough understood. It's no wonder there's burnout after that sort of period.
It's at a point like this one needs to step back and question the process. Why do I perceive the need for such long weeks? Who's going to die if some feature is delayed so I have a reasonable work/life balance? (The answer to the second is very likely, "nobody").
P.S. to answer the OP's question, I've been grinding along since 1986. Looking back over all that time, I don't recall a single time when, after putting in significant extra time, the world was any different than if I hadn't.
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That first sentence is kind of long.
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That one was short.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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