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Well, you are a genius!!! I spend most of my life when windows 8 came out explaining and re-explaining to everyone I know that you do not need a touchscreen to use windows 8. Finally some people are intelligent enough to see that! Cheers!
hatfok
King Yiddum's Castle
Pegasus Galaxy
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Two MAJOR issues:
Usability!
Win 8 is a totally different paradigm that Win 7. For a laptop and the Windows Phone the Tiles were cute, but for a Corporate environment, no one really wants to work like that.
Security!
Win 8 has gone completely overboard with security. As a developer your app can only write to it's own folder or the cloud... so I can't build an app that write app that write to another app's folder.. something I've done in the past.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Kevin Marois wrote: As a developer your app can only write to it's own folder or the cloud...
Only if you're writing a don't-call-it-Metro "app". If you write a proper application, you can still do all the same stuff you could do in 7.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Oh good Lord - see the previous post --> "boot directly into the 7 style desktop. From my perspective, there is not much difference. I'm happy with either"
I thought this was over. 
hatfok
King Yiddum's Castle
Pegasus Galaxy
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The corporate environment is full of dashboards, Metro apps born for that. It is full with restrictions (or downtime for removing viruses), too.
Added: and full with longing for full screen, single apps the users can't switch from.
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I haven't worked with win 8, but everytime I'm working on any of our servers I'm thinking up new cruel punishments for whoever it was that decided a tablet operating system was fitting for a server.
I'm not going into details as to why, as Griff has described it all quite well in another post.
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It actually works well with future MS tech, I cite hololens. Think about it, tapping a virtual button makes sense, you don't even have to be at the machine except for hardware maintenace, just look at it, the "menu" buttons come up, you "tap" the one you want in the virtual space and the world is at your finger tips.
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I've got 8.1 on a tablet. It isn't as reliable as Android. But life is quieter than Android, which does sh!t through the eye of a needle updates everytime I switch on.
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I don't use Windows 8.0 or 8.1, and have never made the switch to it. I have no doubt there are improvements from Windows 7, but these were never really significant enough for me to "upgrade".
As a primarily desktop user, what really killed it for me is the UX. Although it may seem like a non-factor at first, it is actually a huge factor due to its significant changes from Win 7. What Win 8 tried to do was create an OS that fits all. This simply does not work, my desktop is not a tablet, my tablet is not a desktop.
The start screen while optimized for a touch system, is not intuitive for a non-touch screen. I certainly have no desire to touch my desktop monitor. When 99% of the time I spend would be in desktop mode, it makes no sense to exit desktop mode, open a start screen that blocks my whole view, just to open another app on the desktop mode. Then you have things like duplicated functional apps due to the newer metro store apps. Should I use IE in metro mode or use the desktop IE? The Metro UI is just sour icing on top that makes it worst. They brought the whole UI to Windows Server, and now it's easier to shut down the machine than to log off. The start screen is even more irrelevant on a server.
Can I get used to these changes? Yes I certainly can, but I am much more satisfied and happy with staying at Windows 7. Although... Win 10 might change my mind.
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Amen. Well said.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Silvabolt wrote: This simply does not work, my desktop is not a tablet, my tablet is not a desktop.
^This.
One of the Windows 8 devices I have to use with my current contract is a Dell XPS - Windows 8.1, touchscreen (foldable so it can be used like a tablet).
Terrible as a laptop, terrible as a tablet, one of the worst machines I've ever used - Dell have outdone themselves with this baby 
And at over £1,000, was this supposed to compete with iPads, MacBooks, or what?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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The biggest pain for me is that half the configuration options that you could take care of with a few clicks in previous versions of Windows, you now either can't do them, or you have to dive into the registry to do them.
Example: The shortcuts/icons on my desktop were way too large, for my liking, so, as per Win 7, I resized them with the mouse wheel.
That left me with nicely sized icons -- about a mile apart.
The old options for setting icon spacing are gone (along with most of the other window/desktop customisation options), so I had to edit the registry -- to do something that should not require anything like such drastic action.
Grandma should be able to change that; it's not something exclusive for devs, and you don't want granny digging in the registry.
I've already had to dive into the registry more for this machine than I have with most of my other machines, which I used for considerably longer.
Network settings, thumbnail-cache settings, all manner of really basic and/or really necessary settings, all just gone, and regedit only.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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People try to hate new things and changes in the beginning... Then they accept them!
I have been using Windows 8.1 since the day it was released, always worked as a charm for me. If I have to hate it, I should be able to at least come up with a single critical point of view, which I can't find, other than it being a product that has to be bought; which people think is bad.
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote: People try to hate new things and changes in the beginning... Then they accept them!
Yup.
Windows Vista, OS/2, WebTV, the G4 Cube, Google Buzz, the Newton, Net PC, PCjr, and, of course, Clippy...
History is riddled with examples.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Clippy is called Cortana now, headline feature of W10, with jobs outside of Office. The name implies boobs so the reception from the average developers will be astonishing.
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Peter Adam wrote: headline feature of W10
I have yet to see a headline feature of W10 that inspires me to do more than look away with a "meh". This cortana is a feature that I won't even install, unless it does not give me the option to skip it.
nb. returning what they removed for w8 doesn't count as adding features, AFAIC.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'm always excited about new technology coming out, but it has to bring something new and worthwhile to the table - Windows 8 failed on this for me and in fact encouraged me to go out and buy a MacBook (my first foray into the world of Macs).
Obviously it wasn't a resistance to learning something new or price that affects my opinion of Windows 8
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Yes, I would agree on this. There was nothing new (as per Windows features list), but the API had a lot more for me, specially the HTML/CSS/JavaScript based programming for Windows Runtime.
For me, anything that would encourage me toward it is the API it has, I am willing to purchase a new laptop to install Ubuntu for linux-based programming; because I would like to do some C or C++ based programming in Linux based environment or I would also try some Unix based systems. But Mac? Nah never! 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote: But Mac? Nah never!
That's what I said for years, now wonder why I never did it earlier 
Microsoft has a long, long history of coming up with something, getting users/developers on board, then dropping it (e.g. Silverlight). I'd be surprised if WinRT goes much further than Windows 10.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Yes, something that has been known for long as Win32, not isn't used much because C# has replaced much of C++ and .NET has finally replaced Win32 and so on.
You're right, But Mac? Nah never! 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote: Mac? Nah never!
You'll see the error of your ways one day
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Thats the only difference! What I do, I do with sincerity  I know... Windows is way better in many ways than Mac. But, every one has their own point of view. And I respect your point of view by heart. 
Anyways, if the developer twin would force me to do some iOS programming, I surely will use Mac; not for my personal use, but for iOS programming only.
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Agree with Ian. I hate that forced (automatic) reboot which is really very annoying. I have to restore(& load) all tabs of browser after that.
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More items, based on what other's have said.
In a corporate environment, with support for Windows Server 2003 ending this year, servers are being replaced with Windows Server 2012. Yes, the Windows 8 version has found its way into the server world.
It took me a while, even using Windows 8, to find what I wanted in WS 2012, but I did find it, and now, I'm used to it.
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None of what you say about 8 matters to me.
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