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Wastedtalent wrote: I decided against an inbuilt sat-nav for the very reason that it's costs a fortune to update them.
Yeah, that's been my MO in the last few vehicles I've bought too. No regrets. Google Maps on my phone works just great.
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Wastedtalent wrote: Integral safety feature? Surely it's just a nice to have.
Agreed.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Actually, it would be cheaper for me to buy a unit than to update the map. 
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I don't know what is more "funnier"... you buying a Ford car or you adding a GPS to the options!!!
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maximilien wrote: I don't know what is more "funnier"... you buying a Ford car or you adding a GPS to the options!!!
I really liked my Ford when I had it. Ran for 10 years and the only problem I ever had was with the engine, which was built by Peugeot so of course it was going to break. Damn French engineering.
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Why? Other than that, it's a great car and even the GPS works very well - it has a really good screen and lots of other functionality.
BTW, it came with the GPS - I didn't need to add it. Also, if they'd told me when I was buying it, I'd have no complaints. But they are scum-bag car salesmen so was never going to happen.
modified 14-May-15 13:03pm.
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Karel Čapek wrote: scum-bag car salesman
Are you implying that is such a thing as a non scum-bag car salesman?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Er...
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jeron1 wrote: non scum-bag car salesman
It seems they've gone extinct...if they ever existed. 
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Karel Čapek wrote: It has a built-in GPS...
Hmmm, just one more thing to break (and have to get repaired), I think.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Agreed. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Yeah Ford lost me as a customer forever when they charged me $500.00 for an oil change and a warranty inspection.
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Kamen Nik wrote: $500.00 for an oil change and a warranty inspection
That's terrible and a terrible dealer thing.
Why would they do that to someone who bought their car?
Crazy.
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I don't know why you are blaming that on Ford. It was that specific dealership you took the car to.
Not sure how involved a warranty inspection is, but I have had maintenance checks on my Ford at a Ford dealership with oil change, tire rotation and more. As I recall, that was $79.
I did buy my previous Ford at that dealership and had the scumbag car salesman experience, but their service department is pretty good.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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I found the same ridiculous when I had a TomTom GPS. They wanted me to pay for updates. What?!
I bought the hardware already. Not a'gonna pay a penny more. I'm serious.
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I got a Garmin "free"...well, I used Hilton points through Skymall...and the Hilton points were the result of business travel paid for by customers. That was about 7-10 years ago. I've never updated the maps and used to get a real chuckle when "she" got upset as I was driving on a relatively new road.
Since then I've been using my phone to nag me about when I should have turned.
cat fud heer
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On Amazon the models with lifetime maps are only a few dollars more expensive than the ones that charge you 90% of the original purchase price every year for new maps. Only the mass existence of race to the bottom buying sunshines keeps the latter on the market. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Had a simple experience with my Mazda. Luckily its a company car so work pays the updates but what a pain. One update required me to go backs and forward between the car and the computer about four times. If I was at home this wouldn't have been to bad but at work its a different story!
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I use my GPS on my nokia phone, always have it with me, is offline, always up to date, no charge (well except the cost of the phone) and is pretty damn good (better than most other GPS units I'v had the pleasure of using)
Tom
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One of my friends built his own using a Raspberry Pi and a few modules. It uses Open Street Map for map data, and can display weather (Open Weather Map), traffic (various free services), and all sorts of other things. It even has a built in web browser and a rather powerful and long lasting battery pack for on-the-go use.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Brisingr Aerowing wrote: It uses Open Street Map for map data
Never heard of it.
So I just opened up the website to see.
It thinks I'm in Westphalia.
Not encouraging...
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Just for the map data/imagery. Position data and whatnot are from other sources.
And OSM simply starts out above Great Britain, no matter where you are on Earth. It doesn't do automatic location-based lookups (AFAIK).
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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In dash nav systems can't be looked at without taking your eyes off the road. They're the opposite of a safety feature.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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You don't look, you listen. My gps talks to me.
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A map sitting in my peripheral vision, in line with the hood of my car, is much more useful 99% of the time that the chatterbox function. 99.99% of the time it's also less annoying.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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