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ELEPHANTING piece of sh*t! My Win7 recovery disk will not boot. It worked BEFORE I tried to install Win10, now it doesn't. "Non-system disk or disk error".
The Win10 tools will not load the drivers I need to get at my backup image. I can't restore the backup at all.
Trying to install Windows on the same drive as the f'd up Win10 installation won't work either. It says it has to wipe the drive to do an install. Something I can not afford now that my backup is completely useless.
After fiddling around with thing all day, I'm down to installing a new SSD in the machine and trying to install Windows on that. ELEPHANTING can't do that either! Errors out because the old drive is still in the machine and has boot crap on it and Windows doesn't like it! I have to remove the old drive to get Windows to install on the new one ... in theory anyway. Everything I try Windows is shooting down for some reason of another.
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Dave, there's been a development this morning that may affect you: My Win 10 informed me that it needs to "Upgrade" itself. Note: It said 'upgrade' not merely 'update'.
The upgrade was massive. It took over an hour on my fast SSD. A big part of it was apparently an extensive new set of drivers. Now I'm thinking: Maybe the initial version of 10 had USB drivers that caused issues with some USB keyboards and mice? Can it be that this issue is fixed in the latest version of 10?
I give you this information for what it's worth. Since both versions of 10 work great on my machine, I cannot say for sure whether the latest version is going to help you.
By the way: Samsung makes an excellent SSD, but many Amazon customers complain that the Samsung software that accompanies the drive, will offer to upgrade its firmware. However, the upgrade process totally fries the drive. I am very happy with my Samsung, but I totally avoided the software that came with it. You do not need it!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Thanks for the heads up on the Samsung SSD software. I installed a 500GB one in the machine last night ready for a new batch of approaches to try and recover the machine.
I've also read that the upgrade, "Threshold 2", pack won't download for at least a month if you install Windows 10 now. I'll have to go over to MSDN and look at picking it up over there.
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Dave:
If you still follow this old thread: I am just curious. Did you get Win 10 going?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Not through any recovery method. The only solution I had was to put in a new drive (SSD) and install Win10 from scratch.
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I installed it when it launched, and uninstalled the next day. And the popup keeps bugging me to install-install-install Win10.
Had a worst experience while using it. 
Cheers
KR
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The installation of Windows 10 was easy and smooth. It ended serious update troubles with Windows 8.1. But there is a Windows 7 system which I want to keep. It proved difficult to stop the upgrades nagging...
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How do you create a recovery partition? Is it just a primary partition marked "active"?
Send Codez Plz 
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Quote: Send Codez Plz
No codez. I use an application on the LSoft Active@ disc that is designed to manipulate partitions. If you don't have such a disc, you should be able to create partitions with an old XP or Vista disc.
After you delete the old partitions, you first create a primary partition of around 2 GB that you mark Active. Then the main partition. There is nothing special about the recovery partition, except that it is Active and has no drive letter.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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OK, thanks.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Regarding the recovery partition, do you have any hard data on W10 being just as near-sighted as previous editions, or was it just a precaution on your side?
I've only upgraded so far, and I am less than happy with the results, even after ignoring the failed 8->8.1 installation attempt that forced me to undo and then redo all over again. Now I'm planning to do a fresh install, and might as well have a look at the partitioning when I'm at it. However, I have Hybrid HD (SSHD) and from what I've heard, Windows installation is particularly picky with those: the standard installation may well be able to pick a good spot for the recovery partition, but I'm not so sure it will accept a partition defined anywhere, manually.
This makes me wonder, how does Windows even decide which partition to use for recovery data? Does it simply take the smallest partition available?
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Creating a recovery partition was just a precaution on my part. Windows 7 definitely created the partition too small, and later, when it becomes an issue, you cannot expand the partition. Maybe 10 doesn't have this issue, but I wanted to be sure!
Read my message to Dave Kreskowiak above. Make sure you install this morning's 'Upgraded' version of 10! It may be prudent to wait a few days and download a new ISO file for the install disk. Hopefully Microsoft will also upgrade the ISO file to reflect the latest improvements!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Quote: This makes me wonder, how does Windows even decide which partition to use for recovery data? Does it simply take the smallest partition available?
I am not sure. I ALWAYS create the small recovery partition first on a blank drive and mark it active. This has always worked for me.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Makes sense. Thanks for your tips (including the one above). 
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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I clicked upgrade, and it upgraded. I lost no apps, nothing. Not being sarcastic or mean, but it was the best experience I ever had with a windows install. (I keep all my data backed up, so I don't ever worry about hardware failures, or data loss).
Where there's smoke, there's a Blue Screen of death.
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Other than I'm posting from Firefox on my iPad!
Yes, Firefox is available for the iPad (and iPhone/iPod)
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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life could be easy
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Ah, so you're the one! There's always one! 
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I thought "There could be only one"
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Brisingr Aerowing wrote: Yes, Firefox is available for the iPad
FireFox has always been available for Windows. Just saying.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I've just been sent an offer of a 99% discount on a pay what you want software package! How's that supposed to work then?
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Pay a lot less than you want?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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It means you pay 99% less than you want to.
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Hook you in , then pay the rest via other means (high maintenance costs etc)
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There is a great mindset change operating at this very moment in the country, everybody seems to realize that we are to fight a war against terrorism.
Until now, there has been some events, but it was highly ridiculous and unorganized - even the 17 deaths in January.
I have been following the events until late in the night. Even if 150+ people died or will be dying in the next days, I think this is still pretty low in comparison to what could have happened : killing 80 people in a room filled with 1,500 people is not a highscore when four ak47 are firing, three suicide bombers near the Stade de France exploded with only a few people in the area whereas they could have waited for the 80,000 spectators to come out at the end of the soccer game.
But suicide bombers, simultaneous attacks, coordination, ... This is getting serious, I think the peace era we have been experiencing since the end of WW2 has come to an end.
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