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You wouldn't get angry at a fire for burning your hand when you stuck your hand into the fire would you?
So why get angry at Microsoft when you install an OS that is still in the Beta stage?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I voted this up, but in all fairness, MS isn't saying it's a Beta - even though we all know it is. They're acting like she's good to go.
Jeremy Falcon
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Thanks and I agree with you about Microsoft not saying it's Beta.
I made a simple calculation - how much will it cost me to install a potentially unstable OS that wreaks havoc over my computer against waiting and potentially having to pay for an upgrade to a stable system.
The maths was pretty easy for me - it will be cheaper to pay for the upgrade later than get it 'free' now.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Install BeOS[^] and all your problems will be solved.
Jeremy Falcon
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I'm considering linux, but what about the grandmas that use the computer program I wrote for windows?
It's them I'm concerned about.
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So you know a large population of grammas that have configured their PC thusly?
No. No ya don't 
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Well then you're screwed. May as well enjoy the torture. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Yep. That's some truth right there. Ok, back ta work
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Well then, it's probably long overdue that you did some work with a cross-platform library.
I've used Qt back when Trolltech still owned it and more recently have had success with wxWidgets.
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A couple of months ago I installed Linux Mint for daily usage, never looked back.
Blazing fast, no virus risk, incredibly stable, never had any problems with updating (did not check auto-updates though).
What amazes me everytime: After enabling "Fast Boot" option in BIOS, when I push the power button, login screen is up before I can put my hand back on my mouse. And this is some 2-cores 3GHz 4GB RAM machine, i.e. no fancy hardware.
Meanwhile; at the exact same time I installed a fresh Win10 on my laptop which is 4-cores 2.something GHz 6GB (i.e. better than my desktop). No AV, no crapware, not even MS Office or any other office suite. Just productivity stuff like Launchy and Search Everything, Visual Studio for development and Firefox as browser. It's already sluggish as hell.
"The primary trait of a good programmer is laziness. Nobody works harder to do nothing than a good programmer." - MehGerbil
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I have never understood hatred towards Microsoft. They don't create perfect software but not only have they have always made the best software they also make it the easiest to build on top of their software and improve it.
There is no one that even comes close to being as good as Microsoft. Many of us have had good paying careers because of what Microsoft does.
If you are this upset at using Microsoft products, you might just kill yourself using someone else's products. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Agreed. At least about the "there's nothing better" part.
But so far win7 is better than everything after it.
Microsoft has since delivered win8, win8 SP1, win10, win10 SP1.
That's =4= major releases that are no better than win7.
It makes me think Microsoft no longer knows what it's doing.
If you put out 4 releases of YOUR software,
would you want that same track record?
That's shameful.
I'm pretty sure they deserve my rage.
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stephen.hazel wrote: But so far win7 is better than everything after it.
Maybe. I have seen others here also saying they've had a lot of trouble with win 10. I have had no problems with it and am quite fine with it. Could be your drivers, or other programs you have installed, who knows. Could be I'm just lucky.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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All I'm sayin is I remember my beloved Amiga 500.
I loved that thing SO MUCH, but when Commodore died...
I kept writing software for it as I watched the number of users dwindle and was forced to realize the futility of not hopping onto Windows95.
I think what's underlying my rage is fear that Microsoft will do the same thing to me.
HOW COULD YOU DO THAT TO ME COMMODORE ???
WHY DID YOU MAKE ME A CLONE ???
Ok. I think the vent meter has a lower pressure reading.
whew.
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stephen.hazel wrote: It makes me think Microsoft no longer knows what it's doing.
So, what you're saying is bring back Ballmer?
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ha! yeah, that's exactly what I'm sayin !!
that'd be great. NOT !!
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RyanDev wrote: I have never understood hatred towards Microsoft.
Simple; in the early days of DOS there were few remarks; but when Win3.1 hit the market, every hobbyist could look like a pro by nodding wisely at a failing system and sighing "Microsoft", like the sages they were.
RyanDev wrote: There is no one that even comes close to being as good as Microsoft.
Yup. Dominated the market for years. They defined design into things I can understand, even UI-design - focussing on things like repeatability, recognizability, usability and a lot of other ties. The "common controls" are the most used, that's saying a lot.
RyanDev wrote: If you are this upset at using Microsoft products, you might just kill yourself
using someone else's products.
Things change; they always do. It is not the old Microsoft that favored developers, it is a new beast. We'll see how it goes, but I like the idea that it will become more interesting in the OS market than it has been for some time.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: but I like the idea that it will become more interesting in the OS market than it has been for some time.
yeah, me too. I'm kinda rooting for Android. It's got a looooong ways to go to be a real desktop os, but I like the quality I'm seeing. If all the dang desktop linuxes could converge to ONE desktop linux, they might have a chance. But they kinda don't seem to be. (I don't even know. Haven't been keepin tabs on desktop linuxes.)
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I hope they don't grow into a single OS; diversity means competition 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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stephen.hazel wrote: I'm kinda rooting for Android. It's got a looooong ways to go to be a real desktop os, but I like the quality I'm seeing
We must not be reading the same articles, because all I keep reading about is how badly vulnerable Android is, and there's no clean solution because its users are at the mercy of their carriers.
Also, desktop OS? I've seen the x86 Android emulators, but I'm guessing you're talking about something else entirely...?
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You're not seeing quality in the Android code base? I am. And in their docs. Quality.
As for the updates, my Nexus10 is receiving patch updates.
I'm not talking major OS or service pack updates, either - patch updates WITH release notes that specifically say it is a security update only. Yeah, microsoft, i see no release notes from you. My at&t phone may not ever see those updates thanks to, well, at&t. But google is putting them out. And they wouldn't be doing that if they weren't planning on fixing the situation they're in now.
I'm definitely not talking about x86 android emulators - those are TERRIBLE. You're way better off testing on a real device.
I'm hoping to see the quality of the android code base expand to handle a real tablet PC that you can hook 2 monitors and 2 usb hubs to. Which, of course, is a loooong ways from reality. But I'd like to see it. I'd dump windows immediately, because so would the grammas who can't afford apple.
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stephen.hazel wrote: a real tablet PC that you can hook 2 monitors and 2 usb hubs to. Which, of course, is a loooong ways from reality. But I'd like to see it. I'd dump windows immediately
The irony of your statement is that the Surface Pro is already there, and has been there for a number of years now. I've used mine as my primary computer, hooked up to a USB hub that let me connect 3 monitors to it, plus my mouse, keyboard, and all other standard USB devices.
The only reason I'm no longer using it in that fashion is that I've seen upgrade to 4K, which my first-gen Surface Pro can't do.
How much longer are you willing to wait for this to be reality with Android?
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Well, yeah, I've got a 2-in-1 laptop, too (a lot cheaper).
It's got my 60" tv and a portrait monitor and 2 USB hubs with 4 midi devices, 2 wireless keyboards n a mouse, midi adapter, and external drive on it. It screams and I'm not goin back to desktops.
But I wouuuuuuld like to have an alternative OS that'll do that that can make microsoft jump again. An OS popular enough that grandmas will use it. I can wait another 10 years for Android to get there. But when it does, I'll look forward to closing my windows.
I mean, why are we ok with win8 coming out. LAME. win8 SP1 comes out. LAME. win10 comes out. LAME. Now we're on SP1 which is SUPPOSED to be non lame BY DEFINITION...
lame lame lame LAAAME !![^]
I, for one, think Microsoft deserves some shame for 4 major releases that get us nowhere better than win7
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RyanDev wrote: I have never understood hatred towards Microsoft
These are the bastards that "deprecated" Silverlight, never to be forgiven, never to be forgotten. And now they (and the rest of the industry) inflict the current web stack on us, what a dabacle.
I will give them some kudos for VS, Windows 10 (upgraded easily and simply) but they lose a LOT for their "telemetry" crap they distributing.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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