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Yes ST had a message. People being influenced to make something of themselves and become scientists, engineers, etc is not unique to Star Trek. Many scifi shows and movies (and yes even Star Wars) have had that effect. Many shows and movies of other genres have also had similar effects, albeit not necessarily of becoming scientists, but something else grand.
Am I ok with "watering down" ST (as you put it)? Sure, why not? It doesn't belong to me. It's someone else's "art". I can like it for what it is and think that other takes on Star Trek were and are better. And some not even as good. Just like a lot of the individual episodes in TOS, TNG, DS9, STE, STV were more or less "better". Some where awesome episodes, some stank to low hell. Same goes with the ST movies. Some were awesome, some were so-so, some stank to low hell. And of course, to each his/her own opinion.
Someone once said "one man's trash is another man's treasure". Same goes for movies and serials.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Star Trek had more than its fair share of bad/terrible episodes and movies and I'll be the first to admit it wouldn't be hard to argue there's more bad than good.
All I'm saying is that I see no redeemable value in any of the JJ-Trek movies, and the producers themselves are on the record for saying claiming there's no market anymore for the "traditional" Trek stories. I disagree strongly with that, and if that's where the franchise is headed, I want nothing to do with it. This is why I'm voting with my wallet.
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dandy72 wrote: no redeemable value in any of the JJ-Trek movies
I disagree, but I can see your point.
dandy72 wrote: producers themselves are on the record
That's assinine (spelling incorrect on purpose). The whole reason ST is where it is is because of the "traditional" Trek stories. What a bunch of fuckwits.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz dandy72 wrote: no redeemable value in any of the JJ-Trek movies
I disagree, but I can see your point.
To be fair, they're entertaining and look better than Trek's ever looked before. That's the value I see in them. But that's ultimately not enough to make me want to see them more than once.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz dandy72 wrote: producers themselves are on the record
That's assinine (spelling incorrect on purpose). The whole reason ST is where it is is because of the "traditional" Trek stories. What a bunch of f***wits.
That's exactly why I've been so pissed off at these movies! OMG, are we in agreement? 
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dandy72 wrote: agreement
 
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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You can look at a piece of lovingly-crafted furniture, and get great pleasure from what you see.
Or you can look at a piece of ikea "just do enough to make idiots give us money for it" cr@p, if you like. But that's not fun.
Replacing the former with the latter can only result in disappointment.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Or you can look at a piece of ikea ... cr@p,
Ya, but you can buy a hot-dog at the same time. Beat that!
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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What kind of moron downvotes a posting like that?
Oh, wait, look who replied.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I can agree to that. In Paramount's infinite wisdom, by allowing these alternate timeline movies, they in fact had to change canon to accommodate them and destroy Romulus in the primary timeline. Way to go  Blow up Romulus just as Picard helped to bring the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire closer to peace in Nemesis. It's like they are trying to destroy Star Trek just like they did with Star Wars VI by just remaking episode 4 in a bid for a nostalgia dollars.
And yes, The Force Awakens was a rehash of A New Hope
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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dandy72 wrote: The long-time, die-hard Star Trek fans do NOT like the reboots. At all.
If he isn't William Shatner, he isn't Captain Kirk.
I would favor a return to the Next Generation era. Perhaps a plot involving "Admiral Picard" sending Captains Worf and Riker off on some perilous mission. Or, revisiting Deep Space 9 (my fav ST series) with some new creepy aliens coming through the wormhole. Let the 23rd century rest.
Sometimes the true reward for completing a task is not the money, but instead the satisfaction of a job well done. But it's usually the money.
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I kind of enjoyed it. It is not that Star Trek - it is more Star Trek anyway. I won't buy the discs but for a lazy evening at the cinema with my Trekkie girlfriend and my friends it's worth its money... provided it is a cheap cinema (I paid 10.80€ for two tickets so it counts).
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I have to rant about this: (If you don't like rants move along...)
How in the world can a space ship withstand hitting rocks, mountains and trees and come to rest with hardly a dent. But an alien ship can just fly right through the shell without meeting any resistance? In the prior movie, it was knocking over buildings. Why can't they build the buildings out of the same stuff they make space ships out of?
Brent
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Obviously they build the buildings out of cheaper materials, after all, the buildings aren’t expected to go through those tough space battles.
Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.
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Italian already got there with a couple of mashups with famous Italian songs like "Acqua e Sale" (Celentano - Mina) and "Trottolino Amoroso" (Minghi - Mietta).
I spent the morning laughing at those mashups! I'll wait for the next ones!
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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  What did I just watch?? I could not look away.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Mind bleach - STAT!
veni bibi saltavi
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That is hilarious. 
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 Much better than the unedited version! Thanks!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I guess I had an alternate audio stream, 'cuz that's not what I remember hearing.
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This seems to be the original one. What you heard was the alternate of this.
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You're probably right. This was a lot more entertaining.
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