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den2k88 wrote: no privacy already so Mickeysoft is right and you are wrong and would you remain forever with n old OS like Windows 7?
Whelp. Not giving away data ends in less relevant content. I don't say it is bad, but I feel like MS is getting the piss for being too honest with their users.
After all, I don't hear the same claims and blames for Android devices as often, but let's be honest - Who'd think that MS is sucking away more data than Google? I'm not saying it's less (I'd guess they're pretty much even), they just happen to be a bit more honest about it.
modified 18-Apr-17 9:21am.
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I think that there is a bit difference here...
For instance - while using Google for search, Google does collect information about you and may (or may not) push some adds with different relevance... But Google didn't took a penny from you!
On the Microsoft side, I have to pay $200 to get the Os, and then it start bombing me with adds, for instance about Office, and I have to configure and re-configure it to stop, and then they update the OS (mostly without asking me) and add more settings and levels to prevent me from removing those adds and let me start working...
I have no online secrets (or to be precise: my secrets are not online) so have no problem that Google measure my browsing as a payment for it's services, however, the moment I payed for a software I claim all the rights to make it mine own... And while it do not care much for the info they collect I do hate all those disturbing moments when W10 try to outsmart me...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: For instance - while using Google for search, Google does collect information about you and may (or may not) push some adds with different relevance... But Google didn't took a penny from you!
I had my eye on Android - I pay way more for a smartphone than I do for a Win 10 license, and I bet they're grabbing more data than the POTUS is grabbing lady crotches. Surely I can turn off location and so on - But that sorta defeats the purpose.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: On the Microsoft side, I have to pay $200 to get the Os
See above. I pay for the Hardware but the OS of the phone still collects whatever the heck it wants.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: And while it do not care much for the info they collect I do hate all those disturbing moments when W10 try to outsmart me...
I'm entirely with you on this - But I sometimes feel like many here have double standards and are a tad faster to whine when it comes to MS.
Other big players do the same, or do you think an iMac isn't phoning home just because of its shinyness? I'm not saying that data collection per se is a bad thing - But only bashing MS for letting you choose what you share (that's how I udnerstand Brent's OP) is not really catching the issue at its roots.
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Marco Bertschi (SFC) wrote: But only bashing MS for letting you choose what you share (that's how I udnerstand Brent's OP) is not really catching the issue at its roots.
Then you got it bad...
The point is...
Switch it OFF and that means... you still send "basic" data
Switch it OFF and you still received publicity, only less adapted to you
Either they change the label and say "send more, send less", "get cool ads, get crap adds" or they leave the OFF and then shut the f*** up and let us alone...
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: Switch it OFF and that means... you still send "basic" data
As you have done in earlier versions. Or how did the crash reports get to MS?
Nelek wrote:
Switch it OFF and you still received publicity, only less adapted to you
Switch it to crap ads, remove tiles. Problem solved.
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Marco, you told:
Marco Bertschi (SFC) wrote: (that's how I udnerstand Brent's OP)
I just answered you explaining what the point was, because I think you are missing the point of the rant (at least as I understand it)
Marco Bertschi (SFC) wrote: Problem solved.
I don't have any problem with it. I know there are a lot of possibilities to get ride of that.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Marco Bertschi (SFC) wrote: less relevant content
Huh?
I do not want any content whatsoever from Microsoft!
If I want news, sports or entertainment I go to the source I chose.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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megaadam wrote: I do not want any content whatsoever from Microsoft!
My Windows 10 is completely MS-Content free. Dunno what you did (or haven't done)
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Marco Bertschi (SFC) wrote: Dunno what you did (or haven't done)
Looks like Windows 10 Creator Update will change that for you 
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I currently have it on my personal laptop, and can't see any MS-delivered content whatsoever.
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Early days.. it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Sure, but google is a bunch of web services that makes no bones about the fact that they rely on advertising to provide the services.
Windows is an operating system, which is supposed to do no more than provide access to the hardware and software that users need to use to work/play/entertain themselves -- no-one "uses" an operating system directly; it's just a platform on which they can load the things that they actually use.
An operating system has no place reaping personal data from its users.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: An operating system has no place reaping personal data from its users.
Chrome OS. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: no-one "uses" an operating system directly; it's just a platform on which they can load the things that they actually use.
Android
As for the rest, you're right - But one can turn it off. Save your energy to go berserk once they decide you shall not be able to turn it off.
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If you only use android, without all the google add-ons, you're safe-ish -- but an OS to make a phone useful is a completely different kettle of fish from an OS on a business machine or home PC.
Phones aren't about privacy; work is.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: privacy
Install a firewall and start whitelisting services you need to use. Honestly, this is the only way to be safe. For starters, you could also just change the OS settings, which is reasonably well enough and consumes less time.
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I go far further than that, but I'm not talking about me, and the hoops I jump through to make an OS behave itself; I'm talking about the OS that makes it necessary for me to do so.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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They show a dialog on installation, and one after the Creator's update.
That doesn't sound much like a hoop to me? After all, it's something used by billions of people, how can one expect to have the default settings matching their gusto?
Oh yeah, if MS knew that beforehand they could server you with the settings you want, but they'd need to access your data 
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The Creator Update has only just been released, so billions aren't using it just yet..
Take a look at the updated dialog during install^. You can see everything is switched "off" but the text still says they'll collect my data and push adverts to me.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: At the basic level, you'll be sending Microsoft less data to help fix errors you encounter
It has always been that way, ever since WER was introduced.
Windows Error Reporting - Wikipedia[^]
What did you expect when a memory dump was sent and you've been editing a document at the time everything went down?
IMHO we're talking about something rather hypothetical here.
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Well I'd expect when I select "off" (i.e. I've opted out) that no data is sent at all.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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That depends on what 'basic' means, if they're just sending crash logs I (personally) wouldn't care.
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Marco Bertschi (SFC) wrote: That depends on what 'basic' means
Yes, I agree. My main point is that on other OS's I can opt out if I want (I usually don't for crash reports) - Microsoft no longer allows that with this update.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Relevant ads - Off, but says "The number of ads you see won't change but they may be less relevant to you." (I think I might prefer to enable an irrelevant ads feature in this case 
Where do you see ads in Windows? Perhaps I am blind but I don't see any on my win10. Do you have a free version? 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I do not use Office and have notifications 10 times a day about it... and got tired to find how to turn it off...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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