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Odd - no posts from the fanboy's, yet. Perhaps they didn't get a chance to read this thread because they were being updated?
It would be a good time to ask them "are we having fun, yet?"
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Odd - no posts from the fanboy's, yet. Perhaps they didn't get a chance to read this thread because they were being updated?
It would be a good time to ask them "are we having fun, yet?"
I very much doubt there's anyone in the world that doesn't see the Windows 10 update debacle as, well ... a debacle.
That doesn't, however, necessarily mean that Microsoft are evil incarnate; that they started it all by invading Poland or that they deliberately invented the Ebola virus to distract the world from Windows ME.
Equally, it doesn't mean that Apple or those in charge of the home-brew UNIX clones have never got anything wrong either. Chances are, they have.
It is what it is (an utterly annoying and cr@ppy thing) but it doesn't mean we have to have one of those boring "my multi-trillion dollar corporation is better than your multi-trillion dollar corporation" things that such discussions always seem to turn into.
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Rather recently there were other threads on the Win10 Update debacle.
And there were supporters of the process - and they said people could just shut them off if they wanted to.
Ignoring that it was not a user-available setting and required shutting down the service - which then meant that they weren't offered the updates at all.
I've not read the Win10 TOS, but I'd imagine it has an entire section devoted to "if an unwanted updated causes you a problem - well, that's your problem".
My comment on those threads really can be summed up as follow: "My upgrade from Win7 is to Linux"
(no multi-trillion dollar company there).
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No multi-trillion corporation but still a bunch of humans (an over-engineered and over-produced variety of life-form that can generally be relied on to screw something up at some point in time).
I'd imagine that every set of T&Cs ever written has a similar "our problems aren't our problems" section. That's pretty much what T&Cs where invented for.
I'm not saying that Microsoft could never do anything to drive me to another OS but this one gets them a yellow card rather than a red.
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PeejayAdams wrote: this one gets them a yellow card rather than a red
My problem is I've given them so many yellows throughout my time spent in their game ... it's been time for me (since around 10 years now) to simply ban them completely from the game (for life), never mind a red card.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: And there were supporters of the process - and they said people could just shut them off if they wanted to.
They're a couple of well known MS wu mao, they always rise to defend their beloved employer when its honor is being endangered.
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PeejayAdams wrote: they deliberately invented the Ebola virus to distract the world from Windows ME
It all makes sense now. 
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Or maybe they too have been bitten by this p.o.s.
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Set the update options. (Windows 7 also periodically did this, especially on a domain.)
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I think you missed out . . . Lose10 doesn't offer that option. The user has to go to system services to shut it off - something only a very small fraction of user can/would know how to do. Otherwise, it's not an option - it will do what it wants when it wants to.
However, once you shut the service, you don't get any messages that updates are available at all.
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I was referring to restart times.
Go to Start|Settings|Update & Security. You can set a custom restart time and active hours.
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I may have to do that on one of our machines at our theatre. It's running the sound and video cueing system, and even if an update was applied when there wasn't a performance taking place, it would be a serious problem if the update stopped the machine working, or uninstalled a driver, which is not unheard of.
I'd prefer to be able to say that the machine cannot apply updates at any time in a given range of dates (because of course we know the performance schedule up to a year in advance). Currently we turn off the network connection, but it gets turned back on to download sound files from effects sites and so on, and that can trigger an update, and if someone forgets to disable it after downloading something ...
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You probably thought of this, or there are requirements on the theater machines that may get in the way, but why not keep the theater machine off-line and get the necessary downloads on another box, then transfer the files? (Possibly clone system).
It occurring in a uniform set of file locations, you could have this run automatically for you every day at some safe time.
A couple hundred bucks for a bare-bones set up to do this could save some future disaster and pay for itself in one use. Or maybe one of those <$100 refubs.
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Yes, longer term that's what I'll be suggesting - that the sound cue machine by default has no route to the internet. We do need to have network access to the machine, though, so turning off the network connection is inconvenient, especially for tech rehearsals, and I'm going to be suggesting that we need a more "long trousered" network management suite, so that we can do as you say, grab files on one machine and transfer them over the network, but not allow internet access. The joys of volunteer run theatre.
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simply turn off windows update in the services. worked for me. now i physically check once a week myself instead of leaving up to ms. totally stupid policy.
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This was quite literally the last nail in MS's coffin (for me). Actually I ran into such scenario last year already. Especially also for the fact that I'm in the "awesome" position of living in a country where our internet connection cost is one of the highest in the world - effectively I'm paying (on ISP costs) per month the same as a Win10 pro license (and that for a 20GB hard cap on a 4Mb/s line).
So turning off updates was one of the first things I did. But lo and behold ... W10 still has a tendency to turn them back on. Even the idea of "my connection is metered" tends to turn itself off over time. And I keep using up my bandwidth to serve updates to others - no matter how many times I turn off this "feature": Windows 10 silently uses your bandwidth to send updates to others | ZDNet[^]
And then what you're describing is what simply made me give up the ghost. I've now only got one "computer" running W10 and that is firewalled at the router so it never sees the internet. Since every time it even sniffs anything like an outside IP address it resets all the settings and does its update thingy, reintroducing all the stuff I've turned off as well as re-installing all the useless bloatware I've previously uninstalled. And always restarting at the most inopportune times - again resetting the restart time settings to its own "idea".
Sorry MS ... it used to be just that your OS (and other programs) were buggy enough to bug me in my work. Now you're making me pay for having something which wastes my time constantly. I so wish I could just get away from you, it's getting to the point where I'm starting to think I should move to some other profession where I can in fact find software which does not "require" Windows.
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I always check for updates before starting The Witcher 3. I seldom use Windows for something else and when I do it is in Parallels. Any update problem can be easily solved by suspending the VM.
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Running Windows 10 version 1511, Under `Updates > Advanced Options` I've set it to "Notify to Install" so it doesn't auto install & Schedule a reboot.
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I've been getting lots many 'blue screen of death' with win10... Happened to me three times just yesterday. It looks a little bit different than in the past and I think pc shuts down, but still, loose everything you were working on.
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This happened with my Win10 phone while I was waiting for my daughter to call. She had a very late night school trip for a competition. Needless to say I was not happy with the timing. Obviously updates need some polish, like aggressive confirmation windows with long timers.
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This kind of crap is why I've been switching my home computers to Linux (well, one to FreeBSD). I want to retain control of my systems. I will be dual booting my main machine though since I use Photoshop (infrequently) and play some Windows only games. I will miss AutoHotKey and robocopy.
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I have a message this morning that it wants to update... I need to get this thought out before it starts... I think we shou
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How about a Class Action Law Suite. MSFT have abridged their own license agreement (Active Hours) and for a small company, the Windows 10 Anniversary update has cost us about $20K in lost man hours over the last two weeks.
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