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What does that have to do with computers becoming self-aware? As I said before you cannot compare the two, a computer is nothing at all like a brain.
Binding 100,000 items to a list box can be just silly regardless of what pattern you are following. Jeremy Likness
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Yes for now one cannot compare the computer to the human brain, but in the future there will be need to do just that, especially when the Fifth generation computers fitted with sensory processing programs come into existence, anything with self monitoring capability and short term memory is self aware, so a program that can monitor and keep track (learn) of it's actions is self aware, so short term memory as something to do with self awareness, I respect your view on this matter, but my stance is that self aware is as a result of mere self monitoring and keeping a log of actions (learn) in a knowledge base. 
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BupeChombaDerrick wrote: so a program that can monitor and keep track (learn) of it's actions is self aware
No it isn't, it's just a program, and it's no more self-aware than a tin of baked beans.
Binding 100,000 items to a list box can be just silly regardless of what pattern you are following. Jeremy Likness
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so in your own opinion, what causes self aware in humans?
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Humanity; what do you expect?
Binding 100,000 items to a list box can be just silly regardless of what pattern you are following. Jeremy Likness
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To me i think it is just a mere result of computations of neurons in the brain, and that processing can be replicated in a machine.
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BupeChombaDerrick wrote: and that processing can be replicated in a machine.
Not any machine that will be invented in your lifetime.
Binding 100,000 items to a list box can be just silly regardless of what pattern you are following. Jeremy Likness
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BupeChombaDerrick wrote: what causes self aware in humans?
First, prove that we are. Are the characters in The Matrix (not the lead characters, but the ones who think they're going about leading "normal lives") self-aware? I think not.
Are you sure we're not just some virus, software, or a dream being had by some being? Can you prove that I exist and am not just some imagining you're having?
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No proof for that I'am afraid, that's the reason why we should not rush into concluding that programs can't be self aware.
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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anything with self monitoring capability and short term memory is self aware
I don't think this is true. Is a goldfish or an ant self-aware?
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yes they are.
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I agree about a dog, a cat or a rat, even a mouse or a canary, but I don't know if an ant is self-aware. It may be just queen-aware. OTOH, an ant's neural system is small enough that we can simulate it, I think. I don't know of anybody doing this, though.
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Yes even insects might be self aware, the problem here is that one cannot disprove or prove that they are also self aware. 
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If you're already convinced, then why did you ask the question?
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I was not sure the moment i asked the question, but after thinking about it and taking into consideration views from others, my view evolved and became more inclined to the fact that some programs can be or are already self aware.
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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BupeChombaDerrick wrote: the fact that some programs can be or are already self aware
Such as? Name a few...
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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My view is that awareness is mostly about associating a stimuli to a particular response. At least any program that associates a keyboard input to a particular response is aware of those key strokes. So a word processor is aware if a keyboard button is pressed, but to be self aware a program only needs to have some self monitoring capability such as a feedback about it's performance.
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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BupeChombaDerrick wrote: a word processor is aware if a keyboard button is pressed
Not really in terms of "self aware", but it is "aware" of key presses when the system signals that a key press has been done. Two completely different definitions. It just sits there idling waiting for a keyboard press event to be triggered.
My idea of "self awareness" is one in which something can take care of itself without necessarily having interaction with something else. A word processor cannot and will not do anything until the user interacts with it.
BupeChombaDerrick wrote: to be self aware a program only needs to have some self monitoring capability
Which still boils down to someone coding that capability.
Looking through this entire thread, there are a lot of interesting points made by everyone...
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Paul Conrad wrote: My idea of "self awareness" is one in which something can take care of itself without necessarily having interaction with something else.
But we interact with our environment and our own internal states thus we respond to environmental stimulation as well as to feedback from some of our internal mechanisms. Without this interaction we can be completely oblivious of our own existence.
Paul Conrad wrote: Which still boils down to someone coding that capability.
Even humans are hardwired to be self aware following some form of design. 
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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Cogito ergo sum ("I think, therefore I am") proposed by René Descartes.... I know this will probably really open it up some...
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Well it seems you're already pretty convinced of what "self awareness" is (you defined it for us in an earlier post), so I won't comment on that.
What I found most compelling is your signature: "...every year find you a better .. woman."
SWEET! A better (new?) woman every year! I might actually enjo
NO WAIT, HONEY, I DIDN'T WRITE THAT.
PUT THE BAT DOWN!
OW. OW. OW.
David
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Empirical studies indicate that 20% of the people drink 80% of the beer. With C++ developers, the rule is that 80% of the developers understand at most 20% of the language. It is not the same 20% for different people, so don't count on them to understand each other's code.
http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/picture.html#fqa-6.6
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The "better man or woman" part is merely to be gender insensitive not that I'am a woman, I am a man. Just want to make women feel free to see that they are being considered in the statement.  so you can only "HONEY" me if you were a woman and I can only "HONEY" a woman. 
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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Your "Self Awareness" sounds to me more like "Self Sufficient" therefore under your definition anyone under the age of say 12 is non "Self Aware"
Self Awareness has to do with comprehending that the item/animal/person is what is doing/sensing/thinking something at that time. If the entity in question has the ability to understand and modify its action based on what it is receiving from its senses, Then the entity can act accordingly and modify its behavior and FUTURE behavior (however long or short that may be base on memory length) to either repeat or avoid the stimuli it received when it performed said action.
Thanks,
T
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Excellent point. Yes, self sufficient is more what I am thinking. I like your definition of self aware. A +5 for that
""Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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