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Um. Not really. Liz became queen in Feb 1952 on the death of her father, and Turing was prosecuted in March of the same year, so she can't really be held personally culpable since the law had been in effect for many years before she ascended the throne.
Never underestimate the power of stupid things in large numbers
--- Serious Sam
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But responsibility works like this: take a person that isn't necessarily to blame, blame them anyways.
So he can go ahead and hold the queen responsible for something she didn't do.
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That only works with Lawyers and similar pond life! 
Never underestimate the power of stupid things in large numbers
--- Serious Sam
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OriginalGriff wrote: Liz became queen in Feb 1952 on the death of her father, and Turing was prosecuted in March of the same year, so she can't really be held personally culpable since the law had been in effect for many years before she ascended the throne.
Nor should she receive accolades for it either since the issuance of that type of Pardon by her is almost certainly initiated by the UK government and is not initiated at her behest.
Indeed the movement to get the pardon has existed for years and the UK government took the action that they could 4 years ago. This action is the only way the UK government can actually produce this sort of Pardon.
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Would Alan possibly pardon her?
He does not need pardon.
Veni, vidi, vici.
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And I found a Christmas present from last year still wrapped up that I had forgotten to give to my kids...
Pity really, I think they would have really liked that kitten!!
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Its not too late to give it to them for Christmas this year though.
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We have some guests and they wanted to see the panto.
Sadly we couldn't get eight seats together so I volunteered to stay outside and watch the coats.
Said clothing is a lot more entertaining than some bunch of z listers and failed comics.
speramus in juniperus
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Oh no you didn't!
It's behind you!
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Under the leaves!
speramus in juniperus
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A good solution. From the title, I'd presumed you closed your eyes and meditated on the presentation.
Yours, saving you the cost of a ticket, would seem to be a better solution.
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Just watch the kids having fun. Best entertainment there is.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Read the subject, thought Vilmos, thought Gin!
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I doubt that JSOP has one of those. He strikes me as a "Made in America" guy. I, on the other hand, do have one, and it's a pleasure to shoot. Next time you see Lauren on here, check her profile pic. 
Will Rogers never met me.
modified 23-Dec-13 18:16pm.
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Roger Wright wrote: Next time you Lauren on here, check her profile pic.
Ah yes!
Marc
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When you're finished, grieve for the 2,000,000 men, women, and children that his "tools" killed.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: When you're finished, grieve for the 2,000,000 men, women, and children that his "tools" killed.
Yes, I know I was stepping onto a landmine.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: landmine
No that would be Nils Waltersen.
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tool
/tuːl/
noun
1. a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.
Not sure what your decision to put single quotes around the word was intended to say. The only use of single-quote marks that I'm familiar with in that situation is to imply that the chosen word is inappropriate.
That the implement has been used by many to kill those 2,000,000 is indeed an unfortunate thing - it's also indicative of the brilliant simplicity and robustness that are incorporated into its design - it wouldn't have been the weapon of choice if not for it's brilliant design - it's a hell of a lot more clever than anything I came up with as a 28 year old, how about you?
Presumably you're able to separate appreciation of a clever design and lamentation of the way the design may be/has been abused?
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enhzflep wrote: Presumably you're able to separate appreciation of a clever design and lamentation of the way the design may be/has been abused?
Weapons are designed to kill. I don't think a tool has been abused if it was used for its main purpose. The fact that its main purpose is to kill is regrettable, but (as you mentioned) one can still appreciate the cleverness of the design.
What is this talk of release? I do not release software. My software escapes leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake.
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Good point. Never even considered that use of the word abuse, I see and agree with your point, though not to the exclusion of my use of the word. I believe both are correct uses of the word. If I had to pick one definition to the exclusion of the other, I really dont know which way I would lean.
"define abused" as a google search returns both your definition (i.e to use improperly) and "to bad effect"
Thanks for the impetus to take a closer look and think more about it. I've since considered another use - the one employed when used as a tool to promote compliance through fear. As an example, consider bank-robberies, or actually, robberies in general - the purpose there is not to actually kill, but rather to make it clear that compliance is expected. (Not that its a particularly relevant scenario when considering the purpose and environment that the AK was designed for and in)
There's lots of parts of high-school & uni I'm glad to be long free from. There are many others I quite enjoyed and miss. Thanks again for a trip back to one of the gems of the era.  (your post) gets my vote.
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The purpose of a tool is to do useful work.
Do you consider killing people to be useful work?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: 2,000,000 men, women, and children
What about the rest?
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