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mark merrens wrote: Need I say more?
Yes. Start from what is DMV and AAA. No really. I guess these are US based government agencies to get driver permits.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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Department of Motor Vehicles
American Automobile Association
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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there are some more who feel irritated when potential employers say, "We will get back to you" and never do? I would appreciate them telling me why they don't want me. Really, that will help me ahead.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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Yes, it would be nice to have a reason, but, I don't think many companies will give you a reason.
Perhaps a 'thanks, but no thanks', but I think even that has gone the way of the dodo since resumes are now predominately electronic.
A shame really...
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I didn't even got that. I was kind of stalker or pervert or whatever to send email to HR asking what happened. I specifically mentioned that yes or no does not bother me but tell me a reason so I can improve myself. Never received a response. To me, this is unprofessional.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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And due to a contencious, litigious society, you probably won't get a reason.
My previous employees have a policy of simply confirming someone was employed there and what their title was, because, if they give a positive review for one person, and no comment on someone else, that is perceived as a negative review and they don't want to fight lawsuits.
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This is state law in California. An employer can only confirm that you worked there and indicate Yes/No on re-employment.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Not just you...
Event without reasoning - just get back and tell no...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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So why exactly they spent time of 8 people and 6 hours on me? I guess I deserve to know that.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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It's irritating. But you'll get on much better once you realize that means "Thanks, but don't plan on ever hearing from us again."
Keep searching as if they'd said no. Everybody wins. If they do call back, you've got bargaining power in the pipeline in the form of other opportunities (hopefully.) If they don't, you've wasted no time.
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I know that. But it always bugs me. Why this result? I am not saying I am greatest ever employee and I certainly need to know what I should improve upon.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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Oh I agree with you entirely. It's a major PITA.
But they have absolutely no vested interest in a detailed post mortem. They'd have to do a couple/few dozen of them and frankly, the last thing they want to do is give someone the couple keys that would enable a less then scrupulous person to game their interview process.
There's really no win out of it other than to take the lumps as a form of psychological case-hardening.
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It's annoying but it's also how employers role these days.
Just ignore it and move on - until you have a written contract/offer in your hand you have nothing - keep looking.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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I am not really bothered with not getting job. I want to know why they spent 6 hours on me? They kind of wasted time of their 8 people during this time.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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d@nish wrote: I want to know why they spent 6 hours on me?
Because you were one of a number of candidates that they didn't weed out with a phone interview and sought to see which of you would best fit the role.
They don't care that you gave up a day of your time to interview.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Fair enough.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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Well, yes, it is "just you;" or, "just me," if the wheel turns again. And, it just makes us human to make an effort to present ourselves as favorable candidates, "get our hopes up," and then be disappointed if there's no response.
However, the "glass is half-full" interpretation is that you were considered seriously, you made it past the initial screening (and probably many others did not).
So, how about praising yourself for a partial "win" ? And, also, consider that the process you just went through may have given you valuable ideas about how to shape your presentation of self, and work, the next time ?
I know, I know, "easier said than done." And, there is a solid body of social science research that indicates, in general, we humans react more strongly to a perceived loss than to a perceived gain, even if the two are really equal in consequences (see Kahnemann, Tversky, et. al.).
But, to some extent, we do have the power to shape the way we cognitively appraise the inevitable disappointments that life throws in our path.
to your future, Bill
“But I don't want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can't help that,” said the Cat: “we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.”
“How do you know I'm mad?” said Alice.
“You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldn't have come here.” Lewis Carroll
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Reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask.
Does anyone ever get a positive response after a "We'll get back to you"? Both of the interviews I was hired from they didn't let me out the door without saying they'd at least follow up with an offer. Everything else was the standard fob off and I got confirmations of no interest from maybe 1 in 4.
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Many places won't even say "We'll get back to you" because they know they might not. Most places have lots of applicants to sift through and they want to make the process as streamlined as possible for themselves while also protecting themselves from litigation.
Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.
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d@nish wrote: there are some more who feel irritated when potential employers say, "We will get back to you" and never do?
I did a phone interview that went well, then did a programming quiz which took about 15 hours that I thought I rocked. The potential employer got back to me (by email) a few days later and said I wasn't a "perfect fit." No other explanation. I sent a response saying I would appreciate learning why not. No response.
1. I had put a BSD License on all the source files, so I will sue their asses if I see anything that looks like they used my code in their product.
2. The code really is good (a multi-threading image viewer) and is based on some work I did years ago which I published here, so you can expect an article soon.
But as far as I'm concerned, they are losers, and quite frankly, they are the losers.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: I had put a BSD License on all the source files
Never thought of that. Something to ensure from next time. Thanks.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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Hi Marc,
That reminds me of when I was a free-lance consultant (PostScript, printing, Mac screen to PostScript, etc.), and Claris had me come down twice for interviews; in the second series of interviews it was clear to me they were asking me questions which were clearly related to road-blocks in software under development, and I told them gently, but firmly, that what they were asking me for advice on was something I could help them with when I had an employment contract.
They told me to go home; I did. A week later, after I had already accepted another consulting job for three months, I received a package in the mail from Claris with lengthy legal documents of arcane complexity, and a cover letter indicating I should sign the documents, return them by mail, and come down for another series of interviews.
I replied by mail to Claris with an invoice for hours spent in the second series of interviews, and the information that I had other employment now. While I thought of this as a joke, and a middle-finger-up: they paid the invoice !
I think that's one of the real problems for any consultant, or job-seeker: you have to "give them something," but, if they get "too much" from you "for free," they don't "respect you in the morning," so to speak.
At the point someone demanded I write working code, I'd want an employment contract.
But, oh yeah, then: there's the rent to pay, and the car to fix, and the kids to pay tuition for ...
“But I don't want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can't help that,” said the Cat: “we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.”
“How do you know I'm mad?” said Alice.
“You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldn't have come here.” Lewis Carroll
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I have an third party application that will be processing CSV files and pushing data to a data store. However, due to limitations in the application, the CSV files need to be pre-processed to add some additional data, reformat some fields and split the original file into smaller files.
The question is: to write a script to process it daily or to write a compiled app...
Either way, the solution will be running as a scheduled task on a server.
Thoughts? Opinions?
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Why not both? 
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