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OriginalGriff wrote: seems to be declining
Not just that - I see around me kids (not in the age, but in experience) got jobs after learning a 4 week HTML/CSS/JavaScript quick-course, just because they are cheep. So when it came to the breaking point, I have to deal with a bunch of code was copy-pasted from some school-book, but has no connection to reality... And that because theoretic knowledge is declining...Management thinks it's a luxury they can't afford and need not... 
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: I see around me kids (not in the age, but in experience) got jobs after learning a 4 week HTML/CSS/JavaScript quick-course, just because they are cheep. So when it came to the breaking point, I have to deal with a bunch of code was copy-pasted from some school-book, but has no connection to reality... And that because theoretic knowledge is declining...Management thinks it's a luxury they can't afford and need not...
Tell management that it is because of their shortsightedness that the situation is the way it is.
Take as long as it takes to sort it out.
Put the onus on them and never give excuses for their incompetents.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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JimmyRopes wrote: never give excuses for their incompetents
I do not!
When it comes to this I always tell them that they can take that peace of s*t to anyone - as long as I have to deal with, it will be done in my way, and does not matter how much it takes...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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I'm no "kid" definitely not in age. Yes I do lack the experience, but I also am comfortable enough with what I know that when I need help I am not afraid to ask. I really think that most people just plow through something hoping they did it right and they are afraid to be shown they are wrong.
I say that after years... and years in law enforcement, I started college fifteen years ago in a Computer Science major. I hated the classroom environment and honestly I was just tired of school. So I quit school back then and went to work full time, the last ten years I've spent working for our sheriff's department and can definitely say I've learned a lot in that line of work. Like I said in my original post though I have always liked programming because it is one giant exercise in problem solving.
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bradfortner wrote: afraid to be shown they are wrong
You just right - in my group I always tell to everyone, when we are in crisis: Calm down, we do not look for guilty, but for solution. Later I'm usually write a letter to all, explaining what went wrong and what we can learn from that.
I'm most value the man that can see when he was wrong and make the necessary steps to fix and learn. That people will not stay a 'kid' for long...To power of start over after failures is what drive our life, and hopefully makes it better!
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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harold aptroot wrote: I sometimes give free lessons in bitwise arithmetic ... Might not be a skill that looks especially impressive on a resume
NOT! 
He is trying to build up a CV (resume) not scare people away. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Bit-shifting is an integral part of C.
It also applies to C++ and C#.
I've failed interviews through not knowing.
It should definitely be practiced, even if it doesn't go on the CV. Some interviewer is likely to bring it up to show how clever they are.
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Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote: Bit-shifting is an integral part of C.
It also applies to C++ and C#.
I've failed interviews through not knowing.
It should definitely be practiced, even if it doesn't go on the CV. Some interviewer is likely to bring it up to show how clever they are.
I agree you should know it, but do not think it should go on the CV. It is one of the fundamentals that is assumed you know.
Your CV is supposed to make you stand out, not scream mediocrity.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Not mediocrity. Just inexperience. Which does appeal to some interviewers recruiting for junior positions.
Of course the best thing I ever did was load up a netbook with my sample projects so that I could show things like Linux face detection and capture to the interviewers.
It was frequently a bit of 'wow factor' in the interview which helped me get the job I now have.
And of course, it sounds a lot more difficult than it really is. The internet is teeming with samples which can be adapted. 
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So, do you want to learn more about it?
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Who me? No. I learn and then forget as I only need it once a year. Better just to revise when needed.
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Accenture[^] has a student program where they offer time-boxed jobs with coaching by experienced employees.
The scariest moment is always just before the Start - Stephen King
Die Frauen warten auf die Liebe, und die Männer warten auf die Frauen - Wolf Wondratschek
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Marco Bertschi wrote: Accenture[^] has a student program where they offer time-boxed jobs with coaching by experienced employees.
Heh, I just left a job that was through Accenture. Good company.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: Heh, I just left a job that was through Accenture. Good company.
I need to search for a job after my final exams and military duty, currently collecting company names where I am going to apply. I strongly consider contractor companies as Accenture, not only international but also local ones. Can you tell me a bit more about Accenture?
We have Accenture people under contract at my current employer, but never got to really know someone from that company because they are assigned to a different project.
The scariest moment is always just before the Start - Stephen King
Die Frauen warten auf die Liebe, und die Männer warten auf die Frauen - Wolf Wondratschek
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Pro bono, or do you want to get paid?
What technology are you interested in? Do you want to focus on C# / .NET / ASP.NET, or explore something like Ruby on Rails?
I've got a few projects on the back burner that could use a lot of work in both technology stacks, and would love to have someone I can mentor and that could work on these things, and you could use as a reference.
Marc
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No, I'm not looking to get paid at this time. While ideally a job is the goal of this endeavor at the moment I'm looking to gain some practical experience. I really only know the .Net environment, I'm taking the codeschool.com courses as I get the time but I have absolutely 0 experience with Ruby.
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If you are in Florida I know a company that is probably interviewing for summer intern right now.
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You could try elance.com for projects to do.
Teaching anything related is always good, especially because you can get to see inside companies and build up contacts and references.
Maybe you would rather do developing, but your network security is in high demand, and could be a way to get your foot in the door of a company that might have openings for a developer. That is basically how I started, although it took 5 years to get what I wanted.
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One of the things wrong with education is that they are too often owned by big gorillas and don't teach anything else. Being tied to .Net is going to tie you up and greatly limit your opportunities. I would try to do anything to expand beyond Microsoft.
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I wanted to take the time to thank each of you for your responses. You have all given me a lot of good information. I'm definitely going to look more into bitwise operations and more into open source projects to try and contribute to.
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on my 2TB external HDD for portable use.
I use the code from here[^] to get Cygwin to work without permission errors.
How many people here use Cygwin?
<voice type="Ebeneezer Scrooge"> Bah. dumb bugs </voice>
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I havnt used it for years, but thanks for the post - I've filed it for future reference
The last time I saw it used was really only for SSH on Windows, using a Windows machine as a hub to connect to various LAN drives, and having unix machines be able to transfer to/from the LAN drives. There were some reasons why Samba/CIFS etc wasn't used, I think they were security related
Always handy to have stuff like this is the kit bag though 
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I like Cygwin, and I am planning on building a number of things for it, such as PHP (hopefully), Geany, Abiword, Gnumeric, GnuCash, Dia, Mono, Ruby 2.1, and anything else I find that may be useful.
EDIT: Just looked at Cygwin Ports and found they have some of what I was going to build, so I will use their builds instead.
<voice type="Ebeneezer Scrooge"> Bah. dumb bugs </voice>
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 I guess its horses for courses - I felt it was a bit big and unwieldy if all it was doing was acting as this SSH/HUB<->LAN interface - that being said, it did the job
'g'
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been using it for years - great tool! I had done a lot of Un*x shell scipting in the past and being able to have all those tools accessible on Windows is really nice.
modified 2-Mar-14 15:23pm.
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