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Making up for all the reboots you didn't have to do after patching/upgrading VMS?
 
You can go sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away
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Patches for VMS? What? 
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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 What was I thinking
Started w/VMS 2.2
You can go sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away
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The first operating system I used was RSTS/E, in high school. I don't recall what versions of VMS I used in college. My first development job was with VMS 5.0.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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You do understand that the restart is used to simply clear memory of executing processes and services that may have been updated. One restart is usually required (unless the updates were trivial). That's not so bad when the result is an updated run-time environment.
Gus Gustafson
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It's not clear to me what exactly you are clarifying. One restart is annoying enough when I have ten applications open and everything set up exactly the way I happen to be working that day.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I am explaining why the restart is necessary. If you are performing a Tuesday update, you should not have anything other than the update executing.
Gus Gustafson
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I keep automatic updates turned off...every few months I let it update, reboot once and it's done.
Automatic updates always choose the worst time to do their thing.
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Exactly.
<rant> I've had windows insist on restarting when I was just about to use Hauptwerk (simulated pipe organ) for a public performance, and because the windows 8 machine wasn't (and couldn't be) on-line, it locked during the update process and I had to use some crappy keyboard instead.
I might be working away in a large project when it decides a restart is required, but - if this happens (and it did only last week) whilst I'm away from my machine talking to a client, instead of waiting for me to come back and say OK, it waits ten minutes and does it anyway. I always have my stuff set-up to autosave, so no work itself is lost, but it doesn't half waste some time (especially when the client has come along to view progress) whilst I re-open and re-initialise all the underlying VMs etc that got shutdown in the reboot!
I notice that there are never unattended manadatory boots on the server OSs - if it's not important enough to force a mandatory, unstoppable reboot on Server 2012, why is it so important that my work has to be damaged or interrupted on a desktop OS - why couldn't a persistent reminder be used instead?
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Mike Winiberg wrote: because the windows 8 machine wasn't (and couldn't be) on-line, it locked during the update process and I had to use some crappy keyboard instead.
I would at very least demote the coder/designer/project manager responsible for that to tea-boy. Errors don't get stupider than that.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Exactly - and very embarrassing it was too! 8)
Windows 8.1 has improved matters greatly, although there are still a number of - insert current name of Windows Metro UI here - applications that fail when not on-line. On the first release the Kindle app (RT) version wouldn't allow you to turn a page if you weren't on-line - very handy when trying to read on the train etc!
That's what happens when you live and work in a tech bubble where fast, reliable broadband is present everywhere you go - those of us (ie the majority of people worldwide) who don't have continuous, hi-speed WiFi/Mobile services available are - as always - completely forgotten or dismissed out of hand.
Something, I must say, which is now happening here, with the UK Gov. insisting that things must be done on-line, whilst a large proportion of the population do not have reliable (or even any) access to decent broadband. A fifty-mile circle around where I live covers nearly 25% of the UK population, and yet I have only a relatively slow BB connection, (superfast having been postponed yet again!) and no reliable mobile signal from any of the operators that supposedly cover this location. Where I work in the City of London, superfast broadband is not available, despite the building having two fibre-optic cables coming in, one of which is from BT!
Joined up thinking? No chance!
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Yep, just when you're doing that all-important pitch presentation, $%^^&%$$ Windows decides to update 
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Tend to agree, Microsoft updates are the biggest offender, I used to do software packaging for a very Large Global Company and we repackaged every MSI/Install because of this and/or bad/poorly developed MSI installs. We talking about 1,000++ software apps. So that the MSI would install with no prompts if using /qb option and no reboots, never ever needed one.
The only ones would be exception is windows service pack or Anti-virus software (were it want's to check the boot load), even that could be re-worked to install and reboot scheduled later.
That's my 50 cents worth! 
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Funny story. In the poshest mall in Toronto, there are an Apple store and, wait for it, a Microsoft store, quite close to one another.
In the Apple store, acres of overpriced but functional hardware, overseen by movementarians, who, let's face it, are fighting off the fans with sticks.
In the Microsoft store, a gallant attempt at imitation.
And there, in the middle of the store, an RT device.
Asking not to be turned off.
Because it's installing updates.
D'Oh. Illusion shattered. You couldn't make this stuff up.
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I always reboot my development machine after updates.
Like nuking the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I can't remember last time I rebooted! ^^
Not even at night, just go to sleep....
Maybe this is Windows 8 effect?
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oh the horror, Suffice it to say every computer will need rebooted once in awhile. I love the Apple iPhonantics who say their phone never needs rebooted and then a day later or I have to reboot. I have one of those phancy iOS devices it gets itself rebooted about once a month on lite usage.
My android Note2 yeppers it gets rebooted at least once a week. I use it constantly.
My Linux server at home? once in a great while. but then again it isn't used much.
My work Windows 7 butt kicker I use for 10 hours a day hard. Once a week.
My personal windows 8 surface pro2. once every other week or so. again lightly used but more than the iOS device.
so suffice it to say I believe that depending upon usage you probably reboot any operating system depending upon usage at about the same rate.
All of my machines have rebooted at very improper times. The only good thing I see about this is Windows at least gives me the option of saying. "Notify me but don't download and don't apply until I tell you too". Seriously any half serious computer geek should always get this option and take it. my Note doesn't allow this. My iPad just about doesn't on occasion. Sooo, for that reason alone I do prefer the windows machine. But seriously they all kind of suck at this.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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There seemed to be a noticeable reduction in the number of restarts required when it first came out, but that then seemed to climb again.
Maybe it's the nature of the bugs being found and fixed...
cheers
Chris Maunder
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The premise in the article you linked may be correct in that files that need updates may be in use. But the solution is wrong!
It's about time Program patch managers learned the decades-old lessons from graphics programming and animation: use double buffering! I. e. install a shadow copy of the patched program in the background and just switch to it whenever the time is 'right' - i. e. 'right' for the user!
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Bizarro[^]
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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If I ever murder anyone it will be the elephants who come up with those 'one weird trick' ads.
They are second only to the people who put up the face of some desiccated crone in the ads.
I'd seriously put these people in jail for being stupid.
Good thing for them I don't run the world.
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Just driven four 12 year old girls, none of whom I'm related to*, who had been drinking energy drinks, through a forest.
Didn't understand anything they said, as well as the constant chatter (turns out they can all talk at the same time as each other without losing comprehension) they were all texting each other simultaneously. Lots of giggling.
Got to go and get them back in 3 hours, can't imagine it being any better.
* you could say one of them is my common law step niece.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Quote: Just driven four 12 year old girls, none of whom I'm related to ... through a forest.
Are the police aware of this? Is it true that psychos eventually want to get caught and therefore confess to their crimes?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
modified 16-Apr-14 15:20pm.
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They were busy.
Drove past a search and rescue operation setting up in a car park.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Hope you waved at least.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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