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gggustafson wrote: That you would do it for personal reasons is immature and unprofessional!
Seriously? You think that this is a mature response from you? Insulting Chris. If you want to set a site that does exactly what you want, then start one yourself. I think that Chris is allowed a personal indulgence here considering how much work he's done for the community.
modified 17-Apr-14 16:34pm.
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Too bad you didn;t read my earlier response to Chris.
Gus Gustafson
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gggustafson wrote: But I guess that my real question is "Why Workspaces at all?" What unfulfilled need of the CP membership is satisfied by this dubious feature?
Collaboration, I find it brilliant.
I've been working on and off on a project that's simply to big for me. As soon as I have a functional embryo I will let other people in on it and add functionality to the article/project.
gggustafson wrote: All I want to do is to click on the Download buttons found in an article.
You can still do that, cant you?
It's added functionality without any of the old functionality removed. Right?
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gggustafson wrote: Are you limiting Workspaces to CP members who use VS 2013?
I am using GitHub and VS2012. I have not seen GitHub UI yet. I just use shell to do it for me. Works fine. Although, I have not tried VS2008 yet. You may want to give it a try.
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so these arent things that should go in the bug/sugs forum? Seems like it to me.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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David Cunningham wrote: Let us know how we can do that better.
Clickety[^] Please, pretty please. 
/ravi
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gggustafson wrote: I think that the quality of Code Project is going down.
If you are referring to content of CP, then team CP cannot do anything about it. It is members who provide content. If you are referring to the site itself, then as others have mentioned, then bugs and suggestions is the way to go.
As far as advertisements are concerned, they are never obstructing anything. They mostly appear right at top which does not bother me. I use Chrome all the time and have never seen any interference. Which device are you using, BTW? If you are too distracted with advertisements, you can always use AdBlock or something similar that your browser supports.
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d@nish wrote: If you are referring to content of CP, then team CP cannot do anything about it.
Yes, they can. But it will require a larger team, not just volunteers. 
/ravi
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Are you referring to hired moderators? I don't think that is a good idea for a business that gives away everything for free to users.
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No, full-time editors.
/ravi
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Yes but that would really help with grammar isn't it? I personally wouldn't like and editor to change the content of whatever I post.
I believe OP is after quality of CP itself. Now that is something I do not agree with. Yes, there are more things I want to be added but what exists now, just works. I have not faced anything that OP has mentioned yet. May be it has something to do with browser he uses. I use chrome and never seen advertisement issues.
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d@nish wrote: I use chrome and never seen advertisement issues.
Me too. I don't have a problem with the ads.
- I'm suggesting is the bar for entry of articles and tips (esp. tips) be raised. Full-time technical editors can help here.
- I've found myself using SO for answers to questions. IMHO, the combination of Quick Answers and the language specific Discussion Boards at CP is confusing. Also, QA is flooded with requests for code from people who seem to be simply seeking a solution to their work or school assignment. This isn't tolerated at SO. IMHO, the quality of questions (and their answers) at SO far exceeds that at CP.
On the flip side, I don't think there's any real competition to CP's treasure trove of articles.
/ravi
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See when it comes to QA and getting answers, SO is hands down better. It does not have that welcoming feel to it, but hell, you get answers. Mostly, I have noticed, ridiculous answers get accepted by OP. Still, CP is nowhere a competition there.
When it comes to articles, it is a different story. No one and I mean no one can compete with this source. Now, OP might not be a beginner and is just pissed off with how to write hello world type articles. But then, OP is missing the whole point of this article base.
Your point of having editors is great if they are just after language. But content, no. I believe, community drives CP and let them come up with ideas and hence articles rather a group of people governing everything.
I smell dislike on OP's part with site itself which, I would say again, is unacceptable to me. We all have worked on programs and we know how easy and difficult it is. Think before you post is what I would suggest.
He also rants about TODO list. Now, as a business owner, I would give a rats ass about telling people in detail what I am working on. Here, story is different. Team CP actually tells us what they are up to. To me, it is more than an account at some website. It is that feeling of collaboration that makes CP special. Even if you do not contribute, that feeling prevails as long you are not that "do my work for free" types.
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d@nish wrote: Your point of having editors is great if they are just after language. But content, no.
I meant vetting overall article quality, not controlling the subject of the article. All I'm suggesting is a higher bar for content acceptance will be a good thing.
/ravi
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Define bar. You cannot be vague and ranting at the same time. What are you cribbing about? And please be specific.
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I'm neither ranting nor cribbing - just offering constructive criticism. I'm sorry if you don't see it that way. I'm glad you enjoy the communal spirit of CP. I do too.
/ravi
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No I am not getting emotional here. You really need to define bar.
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d@nish wrote: You really need to define bar.
"A long rod or rigid piece of wood, metal, or similar material, typically used as an obstruction, fastening, or weapon." [Google][^] 
/ravi
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Or a good place to go knock back a few.
Sometimes the true reward for completing a task is not the money, but instead the satisfaction of a job well done. But it's usually the money.
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LOL. Sorry, but I don't think I can anymore be involved in proper discussion. Alcohol as taken over.
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Now that is a very hard piece of judgement.
Posting in Sugs&Bugs forum, as other already mentioned, is what you need to do to report something buggy. To add up to what other said: the staff gets directly alerted when a post is made in that forum, so you cannot get a more responsive approach.
"Large number of ads" is more than unfair. Ads are almost invisible on the desktop PC version of the site (Sorry announcers, I meant "well integrated", not invisible, of course).
Maybe they are a bit more intrusive on mobile (what are you using) ?
Nobody ever mentioned navigation problems due to ads, what is your setup ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: Nobody ever mentioned navigation problems due to ads, what is your setup ?
I have[^]. Happened twice more after that, I believe it's yet another bug in IE.
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cp has ads?! 
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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You've raised a number of issues, so let me address one by one.
First, we've just launched Workspaces[^] and a central piece of this is ::Tasks - which we ourselves are now using to track bugs and suggestions[^].
Previous to us using this we've had the Bugs and Suggestions forum[^] for years. Further, you also are familiar with our email as you've emailed Sean and myself numerous times with your insightful suggestions. Please keep sending them.
So there are plenty of ways for you to contact us.
Second, I do believe ads are important - they pay the rent - but there's a balance too and we are investing an absolute ton of time into ensuring the ads we show are sensible, relevant to developers and of a certain quality.
At the moment we're experimenting with a new ad provider and some of the ads aren't relevant, but every single day we go through them and block the ones that are unsuitable. Further, we allow you guys to vote on the ads that you don't like, and Google themselves (when they are the ad provider) allow you to block the ads. This is an ongoing effort to keep the ads to a sufficient level.
With regards to ads hiding navigation, please let me know where this is happening. Our ads are kept extremely well-penned and aren't allowed to cause havoc. If they are then that's a problem we won't tolerate.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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