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Just using a knee works too.
True story: when my oldest daughter was in sixth grade, she was in line at a camp the sixth graders in our school district go to every year. A boy behind her snapped her bra strap. She turned around and kneed him in the groin. He dropped. Story spread. No guy ever snapped her bra strap again.
Years later, she was working at an Italian fast food chain. Several of the girls complained to my daughter about a male manager hitting on them. She'd get pissed and tell them to do something about it. One evening, she was in the back alone cutting some vegetables and the guy stepped up to her. Without turning around, she told him to back off or she'd chop his balls off. He never hit on her again. Stayed far away, in fact.
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She knows where to hit someone 
It's also worth noting my daughter has done well at full contact sparring with the boys. She's only had to challenge one person, and it was sort of funny.
She's usually very passive. She had someone over one day who was taunting and hitting. It started out as a play thing, but then it wasn't funny anymore. My daughter kept telling the girl it was over, and to stop it. Eventually she said, firmly, that if she touched her again she would be sorry. Problem solved 
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can i suggest that kneeing someone in the groin in an overreaction to having a bra snapped?
I mean its a great story "yeah this bloke snapped her bra so knee kneed him in the nuts." yeah what a B^*%*&D deserved what he got.
Well not really. I'd argue she went over the top and got away with it because shes a girl and society encourages that.
A proportional response would have been more in order. i reckon.
Bryce
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I agree... and had I not stopped to read something else first, would have posted it!!
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Not if you're a twelve year old girl maturing earlier than her classmates. Talk to a teenage girl. They hate this kind of bullying. So, no, I don't think it was an overreaction. Thing is, it worked. (And the kid--I knew him when they got to high school--never snapped any other girls bra straps.
Pray tell, what would be the proportional response?
bryce wrote: got away with it because shes a girl
Funny, the boy wasn't punished because that's what boys do. Truth is, she got away with it because the kid was a smart ass and nobody tattled.
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I'm sure they do hate this kind of thing - it is indeed inappropriate, i disagree a knee to the nuts is a gross overreaction -
I'm also sure the kid never did snap another bra again but there were other options to take.
A proportional response might have been a good old fashioned verbal ear bashing, a complaint to the school etc, as far as a slap perhaps - depends on the situation.
A knee to the nuts can have implications for later in life for the chap in question (and again there indeed was no place for the bra snapping that too was wrong and inappropriate).
Bryce
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bryce wrote: A proportional response might have been a good old fashioned verbal ear bashing, a complaint to the school etc, as far as a slap perhaps - depends on the situation.
Are you serious? Do you even remember being twelve or thirteen? In my experience, complaining to teachers doesn't do a damn thing to stop bullying except to make it worse to the kid being bullied. A slap would have been laughed at and likely would have encouraged the behavior further.
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You shouldn't touch someone else. If you do, you may not like what will happen. Keep your hands to yourself, you never knwo when you can make someone feel threatened or abused.
bryce wrote: A proportional response might have been
I think that is just your opinion. You don't have the authority to decide what is proportional. Factually speaking, snapping a bra can be sexual harassment, and filing a complaint would be proportional.
bryce wrote: good old fashioned verbal ear bashing, a complaint to the school etc, as far as a slap perhaps - depends on the situation.
So a violent reaction could be appropriate, so long as you agree with which one is taken.
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bryce wrote: can i suggest that kneeing someone in the groin in an overreaction to having a bra snapped?
So long as it's not your little girl. Would you be cool if she was snapping the cup on someones jock strap?
If someone touches my daughters undergarments, messes with her mammories (which is what that is attached to), or touches her at all, then she can do what she thinks is right. You shouldn't touch someone else, and you shouldn't put your fingers in their undergarments.
bryce wrote: shes a girl and society encourages that.
Did you really just type that? Violating someone is violating them. It doesn't matter how.
bryce wrote: A proportional response would have been more in order
So you get to say what that is? She has to deal with it correctly when people grab underwear that is in the vicinity of her breasts because society encourages it? I don't think so. She did just fine.
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loctrice wrote:
can i suggest that kneeing someone in the groin in an
overreaction to having a bra snapped?
So long as it's
not your little girl. Would you be cool if she was snapping the cup on someones
jock strap?
No thats not ok either. I think I've been clear on all of this
loctrice wrote:
bryce wrote: shes a girl and society encourages
that.
Did you really just type that? Violating someone is
violating them. It doesn't matter how.
Yes i agreed with you it was inappropriate what the boy did. My point was that society encourages girls to overreact and knee the boy in the nuts. My position was that the overreaction was not ok and also that the initial assault was not ok.
Bryce
loctrice wrote: So you get to say what that is? She has to deal with it correctly when people
grab underwear that is in the vicinity of her breasts because society encourages
it? I don't think so. She did just fine.
no i didnt i was careful to not say exactly what response was suitable. I gave examples what might be some optional reactions but also said it was situation dependent. I do not believe a knee to the nuts was an ok response.
So the question then becomes - should she have caused the loss of fertility or indeed loss of a testicle - what would HIS parents be saying about the incident?
Testicular Trauma[^]
I think its best if we agree to disagree.
Bryce
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bryce wrote: No thats not ok either. I think I've been clear on all of this
Right. My counter point was rediculous, I just wanted to make sure I got my point across.
bryce wrote: My point was that society encourages girls to overreact and knee the boy in the nuts.
Yeah, I understood that. I was just saying that I don't think it was an overreaction.
bryce wrote: no i didnt i was careful to not say exactly what response was suitable.
Right, I just wanted to point out that everyone would probably have different opinions in any given situation. It's unclear what is suitable. Many people would agree that her actual reaction was. It's a matter of opinion.
bryce wrote: I think its best if we agree to disagree
Agreed.
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loctrice wrote: My daughter is getting to the preteen age,
That looked strangely worded to me. Strictly speaking, she's been pre-teen since her birth, no...?
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Where I'm from, preteen is generally understood as 11 and 12. My daughter turned 11 in January.
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I know exactly what you're saying. I just went literal on you. :-p
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Once you have a preteen, you know what that means--in general, it's the final moments before they completely lose their minds and is often accompanied by very high drama. In the case of daughters, it's also when you, as dad, realize your little girl is turning into a woman faster than her brain.
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He has just been signed up to work with Sky TV.
He will be installing his first dish on Monday.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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Dalek Dave wrote: He will be installing his first dish on Monday.
I bet he won't be as good as the bloke who use to do it.
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That bloke did it for 25 years and won Employee of the Month every time.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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Wow, have the necessary qualifications for installation fallen so low as to be able to qualify Moyes?
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My daughter broke up with her boyfriend this past weekend.
This is good news because he was a lazy, green-haired, lout.
What surprised me about the breakup is that it was precipitated by a picture on Facebook.
For a 'tech savvy' generation these kids are still pretty 'tech stupid', IMHO.
Anyways, when confronted with the picture the young lad thought it best to make it my daughter's problem by claiming that she wasn't independent enough.
Her reply?
"Not independent enough? How is this for independent - I'm independent of you for the rest of my life."
By the time she was done ripping him a new corn hole he was crying.
Good for her.
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"boys" can be so...boyish.
Marc
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MehGerbil wrote: By the time she was done ripping him a new corn hole he was crying
Further cementing her point.
Bravo *\o/*
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My absence did not last very long, and here I am again. I got a nice little PowerShell intro in work, and to make it public I needed the account back.
Some have called it a rage-quit, some have linked it to a discussion I had with a certain member, and for sure some did link it to disappointment over the community - It was neither of them. I felt like I needed to take a step back, and breathe. Maybe it came over a bit wrong, but I never planned to leave this place forever, but I played with the thought of leaving for a while since last December.
I initially wanted to stay away for a longer time, but I'm eager to get this PowerShell thing out, so at least my account is now back online, even though I try to stay low profile and focus on other things.
Edit: I just realized that I won the second prize of March's "Everything else" Article competition, and my Rep bursted through to Platinum level - Now where do I store these... "personal files"?
I will never again mention that Dalek Dave was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel.
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modified 22-Apr-14 10:18am.
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Sorry. Who are you again?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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