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RyanDev wrote: Except for something called common decency.
Since when are companies decent?
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Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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BrainiacV wrote: Since when are companies decent?
Mine pays me on time everytime. That works for me.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Except for something called common decency.
You are delusional. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
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JimmyRopes wrote: You are delusional.
No really. There are still places in the wild where it exists. You'll just have to trust me.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: JimmyRopes wrote: You are delusional.
No really. There are still places in the wild where it exists. You'll just have to trust me.
No place I have ever interviewed. 
Does it make you happy to be rejected by nice people?
Personally, I don't care when I am rejected. I only need to hear "you have a job".
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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JimmyRopes wrote: Does it make you happy to be rejected by nice people?
Yes? 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Yep.
It takes a little bit of internal calibrating. But once done, it doesn't matter one whit.
After all, it's not like I go back to a car dealership to say "sorry, but I bought a car someplace else." That would be stupid.
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mikepwilson wrote: It certainly sucks alright. But you're gonna have to just go ahead and get used to it.
There's absolutely no reason for a company to respond.
You have to approach each morning as if it's the first one 'on the market'. No interviews, phone calls, email exchanges mean anything until you've got signed paperwork and someplace to report and start work.
Agreed with all but the middle statement. There is quite a good reason for a company to respond -- so that they don't tarnish their reputation in the community. If it gets around that a company has rude HR or fails to follow up on interview outcomes, surely that will have a negative effect (unless the company is extremely attractive for other reasons).
Absolutely spot on about the last thing though; nothing said during the process can be relied upon until a contract is produced and signed. And even then... 
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Oh I don't mean they shouldn't. Just that, in a buyers market, their reputation in the community means precisely squat.
Programmers are a dime a dozen nowadays and the status quo has always been to just not respond. So, in practice, there's really no reputation hit at all.
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Manners, dear boy, but I'm a Brit.  but it's a pain, I spent a long time looking, only to be told by recruiters that my skills were out of date. Finally get a job find my skills are exactly what is needed
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Not sure how big your community (developers to companies) is in your area but I know of some companies that have pulled the multiple interviews and never respond. eventually word gets out about them doing this and developers start turning down interview requests.
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It's a buyers market at the moment (from the employee's point of view) so with an attitude like that all those companies are going to end up with is sup-bar employees.
Start contracting, nobody ever got rich working for somebody else
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Man, that is true in more than one country....
It seems like people either don't care or are to timid to even say "sorry, but not this time".
There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure. Colin Powell
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On a bright note if they are to callous to respond would you really want to work for the heartless bastards?
If first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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I've thought exactly that. They may "forget" to pay me when that time comes.
(Actually, I actually did have a company forget to pay me for my first week. I worked for another that had a mistake on almost every pay check for the first six months. At another company, a person in accounting decided she had too much work and threw away everything on her desk, including my new hire paperwork and some very important bills.)
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A mate of mine got a job, then the day before he was supposed to start he got a much better job so phoned the first up to say he wasn't going to start.
A month later the company he wasn't working for paid him.
He phoned up, they said thanks for letting us know, send the money back.
A month later they paid him again.
This carried on for six months.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I'm a devoted lurker at Ask a Manager and the lack of reply from even a good amount of investment of time and effort on both partys seems quite common. There are all sorts of reasons - but none seem to be in *your* favour.
The essential advice: This sucks. Get over it. Assume you've don't have anything until you have a written offer. Stressing about it just makes you feel bad, and doesn't harm the rude people.
Iain.
I am one of "those foreigners coming over here and stealing our jobs". Yay me!
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Joe Woodbury wrote: If you take the time to interview someone, take the time to follow up.
One should at least take the time to call, if only to say, "Douchebag!" 
I actually had an interview once and got a call that evening to inform me that they were sending me an offer. That was in July. I got the offer the following January. 
Will Rogers never met me.
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Yep, this happens often... as an engineer, I don't understand at all why not just say something rather than nothing at all. I guess HR is a job consisting of being nice to whomever happens to be in front of you at the time and nobody else.
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Albert Holguin wrote: I guess HR is a job consisting of being nice to whomever happens to be in front of you at the time and nobody else.
Hmm, I always wondered how that department was supposed to work. That statement clears up a few things ... thanks!
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I hate to call them two-faced but it does seem that way on occasion.
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I've also had interviews before. What's annoying is that after the interview and they didn't want you to be part of them, they always say, "We'll call you."
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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Agreed, but in these days of everything being done by email, there really is no excuse for not at least acknowledging the receipt of an application, even if they don't bother to tell you that you were unsuccessful.
I applied for a senior position once at a public utility who's motto included the phrase "Investing in people...", and - despite my sending the application by post and by email (and incidentally having to repair their PDF form in order to complete the application in the first place) they didn't even acknowledge receipt with an auto-response, so I had no idea whether it had been received.
The HR person was very annoyed (and rude) when I rang up on the day after the closing date to find out whether or not the application had arrived, saying that they had lots of applicants and didn't have time to respond to every one! At that point I decided I didn't want to work at a public service organisation with that kind of internal culture anyway...
Needless to say, I didn't even get an interview. Now maybe I wasn't a good candidate, but that doesn't excuse rudeness and lack of care.
Mike
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Most companies can commit with a letter/call/e-mail within 24 hours, even if contract paperwork takes longer. Bigger the company, more professional they should be so rudeness really is unacceptable.
My experience has been the longer they take to reply, the less likely you are to get the job. After a week it's pretty much a write-off. If they wanted you they'd come running, it being a developer's job market.
And after a refusal (whether to invite me for interview or after interview), they'll never have a chance to employ me again, no matter what the offer. Hell hath no fury like a female dev scorned
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