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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Nobody will be able to lift a 1000-pound safe full of guns and ammo over a two-inch lip
Do you know someone who can lift a 1000 lb safe even if it wasn't bolted down?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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You can move a 1000 safe with a dolly? Really??
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Not directly up; but you can tilt tall things way too heavy to lift directly a few inches to slip piano boards under first one side and then the other so you can roll it away afterward with far less effort.
The summer I worked for a moving company, a half ton safe wouldn't've been the heaviest thing we got into a truck that way. At a rough guess with 3 other men the winner was a large storage cabinet (6x3x1.5') packed completely full of tools by a lunatic that probably weighed in excess of 4 tons (that volume of solid steel would've been about 7 tons). 
Having estimated it's weight for the first time, I can only assume we were too stupid to know even rocking it should've been impossible. Getting it over joints in the sidewalk and up the truck ramp very nearly was...
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You just made my point. Thanks!
A single person isn't going to lift a 1000lb safe AND WALK AWAY WITH IT.
John's last point was to make is so difficult that a crook wouldn't bother.
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They make hydraulic dollies that can be operated by one person. The fact that commoners don't have to tools means nothing. A professional thief would invest in the correct equipment. The entire theory behind safes is time to crack. If a thief can take the safe they win. That is why people usually bolt it to concrete or use a lip. If you are comfortable with an 1000lbs safe that is not bolted or otherwise secured then you probably didn't need the safe anyway!
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LOL, a hydraulic dolly?? Seriously??
I live in a 2 story house. Gun safe is upstairs in the closet.
Good luck with that.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Chain saw, and shove it out the hole ; )
Then pick it up off the ground 
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Walk away no; but if it's on the ground floor I'd probably be able to wheel it out the door with nothing more than a few 2x4's and eight heavy duty low profile castors.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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One of my neighbors had his *full* gun safe stolen a few years back. The safe itself weighed 1100 pounds. It wasn't bolted to the floor/wall because he thought the same way. He bolted his new safe to the floor (6 bolts) and wall (8 bolts), and did the tray thing too. He also built a steel cage around it. I would bet that the safe is close to theft proof now. It's located in the middle of the house, and you'd probably have to knock the house down to get it out.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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As with most security measures, they aren't to actually keep things safe, but to make you a less likely target than your neighbour!! Anyone who *really* wants whatever people are trying to keep safe will get it...
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The way you worded your post, it sounds like some policy is blocking any searches for safes that contains the word 'Gun'.
Why would any corporate policy block searches for gun safes???
Blocking a search because it contains the word 'Gun' is more scary than owning guns.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Well it's hardly programming related.. it could be blocked for the same reason Facebook is blocked: to prevent excessive time wasting.
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Maybe, but then you might as well block ANY search that isn't work related. But then again, how does anyone at the corporate level really know what's work related.
Blocking 'Gun' is just stupid. Makes no sense.
I worked for a company that tried disabling ALL internet access in the interest of work productivity. That last about 3 hours until all the Dev's bitched about it.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Our net nazi used to block blog and forum, when every dev sent an email to security to request a release, 1 site, 1 email from 13 devs they got the hint fairly rapidly.
Every now and then they reapply the policy and we repeat the entire excercise, what a waste of time!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I'm really happy with the safe I got from these guys: sturdysafe[^]
It looks like their website is slipping by the net-nanny at my work. So, you might have a chance to look.
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I would only buy a safe from them if I got one of the mindless posing bimbos in the deal.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I read up on the company a bit before buying. Apparently that bimbo is actually the owner's daughter who works there. Alas, daughter not included. 
I bought from them because they use thicker steel than most and build custom for each order. I keep meaning to bolt it down. But it was over 1200lbs empty. Probably isn't going to escape any time soon.
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thrakazog wrote: I bought from them because they use thicker steel than most and build custom for each order. I keep meaning to bolt it down. But it was over 1200lbs empty. Probably isn't going to escape any time soon.
John Simmons wrote: One of my neighbors had his *full* gun safe stolen a few years back. The safe itself weighed 1100 pounds. It wasn't bolted to the floor/wall because he thought the same way.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
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Yeah, I've heard of such things happening. Bolting is on my todo list. Just not near the top. To get the safe out of my garage, you'd need to clean the garage first. That might actually be a fair trade
It was the first thing the movers put in the garage, everything else is now between it an the exit.
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Bolt the car to the ground and the safe will be safe. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Just curious, are you a 'Nut' because you exercised your First Amendment right to post something referencing your Second Amendment rights?
I'm 49 and I've voted all my life. I also own some guns. Since I've done a lot of shooting and a lot of voting, I must also be a Voting Nut.
It's really ignorant when people use inflammatory terms to describe other people exercising fundamental American rights.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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I have no problem with a person owning unlimited amounts of Guns and I don't think Gun Nut is inflammatory in any way. I was more focused on the fact that virtually zero advertising is done for safes outside the gun crowd. My needs are different and not really met with what is advertised. Yet, you would think, people have things other than guns that need to be secured.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: people have things other than guns that need to be secured.
That's what banks are for.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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Can you browse through an anonymous proxy?
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