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OriginalGriff wrote: The major advantage of build it yourself: You don't have to remove pre-installed viruses like Symantec, McAfee, Win8...
That and you can put in it exactly what you want. I've never bought a pre-built computer I've always built my own.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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The one time I bought a pre-built system, I immediately wiped the drive and started fresh.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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Smart move probably easier than removing all the junk.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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I only bought a pre-built PC when my home XP bits died, great machine that one  Had to use emails/Net that weekend for stuff, it came with Windows 8 (  ) it seems so odd first thing was install a start button so I could use it. I'm wondering every machine I seen/used Windows 8 on has Norton, have MS bought it on the quiet?
OT Any tried VS6 on Windows 8 ???
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I only ever bought a pre-built system once...it was an AMD 286  ...compatibility wasn't very good back then...kinda put me off AMD for a long time.
Since then I built:
- 386 (no co-processor! 
- 486 DX2-66
- Pentium I
- Pentium III
- Pentium IV
- Core i7
- AMD 6-Core (don't remember what processor)...mostly run Linux in Hyper-V virtual machines on it.
- AMD 4-Core (for Media PC)
...still using the Core i7 as my main box...built it in 2009...might build a new one this fall, see how the money goes...still works good though...typing this on it
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I've got a quad 3GHz AMD on a BioStar mobo with 8GB of RAM so it's no sluff but I did a paint job recently and got 5 times what I asked to do the job so had a little mad money. Since my last build was in 2009 I thought this may be my last so why not?
I think this is my 4th or 5th build and I've helped with about 5-6 others so I feel comfortable with doing it.
My last build was a bear I ended up with a DOA mobo and 1 of my memory sticks was bad so it took a while to sort it out but it's been a good one.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Yeah, sometimes you just get a lemon...my Pentium IV's motherboard had an Intel Southbridge? chip that fused...cooked the electronics on one of my Western Digital hard disks...it was a 'Black' drive and they were good enough to replace it...my Dad had the same board and it went like 2 weeks later.
The thing always was kinda buggy...my Core i7 has been rock solid.
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I get all my stuff from NewEgg [^]for that reason they are great to work with. I returned the board no questions asked and had my new one in a few days.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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I've been buying most of my stuff from them for the last few years as well...they are good to work with
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So true. On the other had, installing from scratch takes ages - not so much the install but about the three days of downloading updates/reboots.
Win 8 is not a virus, it is the way you should use your computer. Comply please.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Rob Philpott wrote: Win 8 is not a virus, it is the way you should use your computer.
Some say the same about Symantec.
I don't listen to them either.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Mike Hankey wrote: do a fresh install which is good
Yes, always. 
Mike Hankey wrote: doing a full data backup
I have found that a "data" backup is useless. I have a lot more code than "data".
Unless the old drive died, I put it in so I can copy stuff off it directly.
I have also stopped putting work files (documents, projects, etc.) on the C drive (partition).
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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I have a 1TB drive dedicated to work and my photos (302GB worth) and music libraries (178GB worth) and backups.
My main drive is a 1TB with system, VM's, SVN repository and misc. System, which is in 2 partitions is ~140GB used of 200GB so when I transfer it to the SSD I'll have that much more to work with.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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What's up with that "not even as good as an old i7-3770"-CPU?
Ok it has the best CPU Mark / Price ratio.. but other than that it doesn't have much going for it.
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Can't afford Intel always used AMD!
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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I've always liked AMD, cheap and cheerful with plenty of oomph
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You planing on using on-board video? Please dear God say no.
Jeremy Falcon
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What's wrong with that?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Nothing unless you want to play games. 
A few years ago I'd add "or tinker with OpenCL"; but that's available without a discrete GPU now. If you end up doing *big* data sets with it, you'll want a dGPU then; but since the GPU architecture is trivially parallelizable and still scales performance ~linearly with transistor count, a several year old just-in-case card is little more than a highly depreciated space heater. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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ahmed zahmed wrote: What's wrong with that?
Performance. And not just for games, for apps like Photoshop and even IE/Chrome that now use hardware acceleration for rendering. The web is going 3D whether people realize it or not.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: You planing on using on-board video? Please dear God say no.
No, I'm doing in stages. I currently have a NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT, it's an older unit but still serves me well with 2 monitors.
Next phase is video card, case and a new monitor. One of mine is getting real hard to pull out of deep sleep...ie. if left for a hours or so it comes out as it should but in the morning when it's been sleeping all night it takes about 5-10 min to wake up. It's like me it's old and contankerous.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Mike Hankey wrote: No, I'm doing in stages
Gotcha.
Mike Hankey wrote: Next phase is video card, case and a new monitor.
Just make sure it's one of them cheesy cases with neon lights and crap that makes it look like a worn down broken sign at night for a cheap motel or brothel. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Just make sure it's one of them cheesy cases with neon lights and crap that makes it look like a worn down broken sign at night for a cheap motel or brothel.
Yeah I'm going for the brothel look!
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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