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He's talking about apprentices, not experienced professionals. And I remember what my code was like back in those days... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Are any of them apprentices?
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Are these formal apprentices, or just new hires with no experience?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Actual apprentices on a course and everything.
We've had trouble hiring round here - most of the good devs end up leaving this economic backwater. So the proposed solution has been to try training our own.
It's quite depressing in a way, in my day many of them would have got grants and mickied off to university, a world of drinking fornication experience is being denied them. They've been a breath of fresh air TBH, though I've had to live through the pain of explaining who Vic and Bob are - they are too young to remember.
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Apprentices, what are those again?
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People who don't know how to use Developer websites  
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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They're the kids with slightly less money and slightly more brains than the average undergraduate.
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I would suggest that anyone that incorporates code from a dev web-site, like CP, or StackOverFlow, into your company's code also be required to document (in comments) the source, and how they modified it. And, they should be prepared to explain what it does in a code review.
cheers, Bill
“I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: They amount to 14.” Abd-Ar Rahman III, Caliph of Cordoba, circa 950CE.
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before using code from t'webz:
check the comments from other users - it may be crap even though it looks like it does exactly what you wanted it to.
don't stop looking when you find one example (except in trivial cases) as there may be a better way of doing it.
make sure it is still current - old hints for old versions of software may no longer be valid in your environment.
if you use it - add a comment in your code pointing out where it came from originally. If something goes wrong later its good to be able to got back and check if the author has fixed the issue already.
If you use it, thank the author.
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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Reminds me of this[^]
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Hah! CLassic. Good film that, one of his best IMO.
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If you click all the way through the report of the report of the report to the actual report it says that high salt intake was linked to high blood pressure in men, but not in women. Also those with high blood pressure consumed more salt than those without.
In both sexes a higher BMI led to a higher blood pressure, as did higher alcohol consumption. Higher fruit and vegetable consumption led to lower BP, physical activity had no effect.
And it is a study of French people only.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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chriselst wrote: And it is a study of French people only.
Who are known to be genetically deviant...
OK, so salt doesnt cause hypertension, but men with it like more salt.
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You're prefer it if science stopped responding to new evidence? But then it wouldn't be science.
However, believing any "science" you read in the Daily Fail is a big mistake. Don't forget, they believe that everything gives you cancer[^].
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I prefer if what is called science is not taken as immutable fact. Thats the problem, which in itself is anti science.
Its the same with GW. Thats another very immature and ill understood area of science, yet it has become mainstream 'fact' just as low salt low fat diets have become. Thats the problem. Not that it changes, but that it was ever accepted without criticism in the first place!
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My wife has recently joined Slimming World, and I have followed a few of their recipes. I noticed that they were all quite high in salt. I rarely use the stuff cos I grew up not using it.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I use sea salt, Carmargue salt normally, its grey, and has potassium as well as sodium salt in it, as well as all sorts of other stuff, dead plankton, fish crap, dead algae etc. Anyway, it is incredible stuff, it adds so much flavour to food without it ever tasting 'salty' if you know what I mean.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: I prefer if what is called science is not taken as immutable fact.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: I prefer if what is called science is not taken as immutable fact.
That's more often a problem with certain tabloid newspapers publishing early research papers as "fact", whilst leaving out the most important details. Details don't matter; only the attention-grabbing headline:
Studies show that bacon causes cancer!!!!!
(We won't mention the fact that the studies were carried out on laboratory mice, who were force-fed ten times their own bodyweight in bacon every hour for a year.)
Then they kick up a fuss demanding to know why the government isn't doing anything to address the problem they've just invented.
The government decide that they have to respond to the will of the people, and introduce guidance or laws to "protect" the public from this menace. They're all too busy worrying about their public image to do anything daft like, for example, have a scientist read the original paper to see if it makes any sense.
If anyone asks any inconvenient questions, like "why hasn't anyone been able to reproduce the results from the original paper?", the tabloids portray them as lunatics, and tell us all to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Eventually, a new scientific paper is published which shows that the original paper was flawed, and the results should probably be ignored.
The tabloids print the conclusion of the new paper as "fact", and demand to know why the stupid government introduced guidance / laws based on flawed research. Their own involvement in the matter is conveniently ignored.
And finally, some idiot writing an op-ed column for the same tabloid declares that science itself is to blame, you wouldn't have had this problem in the good old days, bring back national service and hanging and old pre-decimalisation money, back off Brussels, if only Diana was alive, there that's 250 words invoice is in the post.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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That sums up the media pretty well.
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Oh, GW exists, all right.
It's just that we're not 100% sure of its causes, and no-one (especially those who shout the loudest) has a clue what the actual, measurable effects will be.
The only thing we can be certain of is that it probably won't be doing us any favours.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Of course GW exists, its from the sun. Turn that off and watch the place freeze.
What I am getting at is of course AGW. That is highly speculative, yet it hasnt stopped it forming govt policy.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
The only thing we can be certain of is that it probably won't be doing us
any favours.
This is an example of you accepting something as fact which has very little basis in science.
What is more likely is that global cooling is a far bigger risk. An ice could be triggered and I am pretty sure that having a 2 mile think ice sheet grinding your cities into dust isnt going to be doing us any favours.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: This is an example of you accepting something as fact which has very little basis in science.
Atcherley, it's an example of a piss-take. Look more closely at the wording.
BTW, 10 degrees either way would likely be catastrophic, and you're being far too unscientific in saying that colder would be worse, because there is no empirical data to confirm or deny your statement -- although it's reasonable to assume that severe disruption of the Gulf Stream (by global warming, not cooling) could well result in "having a 2 mile think ice sheet grinding your cities into dust".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Look more closely at the wording.
I did, and it still looks like a serious statement.
Mark_Wallace wrote: 10 degrees either way would likely be catastrophic
Of course, but we know that the earth can go into an ice age, it has done often, so its far more dangerous. The equivalent warming hasnt happened so is less likely to occur and so less of a danger.
Mark_Wallace wrote: although it's reasonable to assume that severe disruption of the Gulf Stream (by
global warming, not cooling) could well result in "having a 2 mile think ice
sheet grinding your cities into dust".
Again you are falling prey to immature speculative non science picked up on and hyped by the media.
There is no evidence at all that melting ice has desalinated the north atlantic and caused a gulf stream variation so it is an entirely UNreasonable assumption.
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