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I wrote PHP and never had the 'love' part...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Then it's the answer to the second 
TTFN - Kent
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So you're to blame!
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Good: It's popular and easy to learn No. It may be popular, but it's not easy to learn.
How did everyone learn it then?
Well they didn't, they only think they did, but they don't know even 1 percent of the subtle traps that PHP has.
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Totally agree. I also agree it does have some design flaws, but like Windows 9x, some have to linger around for compatibility. It's just the nature of trying to please everyone while being so popular. Now that it's popularity has dwindles though, a face lift is really needed. Fortunately, PHP doesn't require you to use all aspects of it, so you can still write a decently designed app in it. And it's still free and multi-platform and speedy. So, I'm still using it.
Jeremy Falcon
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"If only I could go back and choose another language," said Mark Zuckerberg.
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that was like trying to beat a dead horse with a feather.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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posted in error as separate thread. sorry about that.
the content was a summary of my experience using the Visual Studio Macro tool announced on the thread below, and I have posted that content on that thread.
and, I've asked this post be deleted.
«OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. » Alan Kay's clarification on what he meant by the term "Object" in "Object-Oriented Programming."
modified 1-Dec-14 19:13pm.
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Message Closed
modified 4-Dec-14 17:19pm.
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I think if you will remove this post, then I can delete mine which will "clean-up" this forum. thanks, Bill
«OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. » Alan Kay's clarification on what he meant by the term "Object" in "Object-Oriented Programming."
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ow HTML 5 has finally been standardized, Jeff Jaffe, the W3C's CEO, wants to get people talking about what to do next. His suggestion is to build an application foundation to underpin the Open Web Platform -- an operating system for the web. Going out on a limb here: HTML6? HTML10?
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Wow! Really?! HTML 5 is finished? When?
Dear Jeff, please step out from your lab...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Smart. 
He's talking about the specification, not the implementation...
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Not only that - he is talking about the MARKUP only. HTML 5 is much more than the markup...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Uh, no, HTML5 is only the markup.
What you're talking about, to venture a guess, is "Web 2.0" stuff.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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For us mortals, but in the context Jeff talks about it, it is more the whole package, especially the JavaScript libraries...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: context Jeff talks about it
Was HTML markup
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: especially the JavaScript libraries
This is not part of HTML5
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Oh, Great and Powerful Oz! Read the article again and concentrate on the phrase 'Open Web Platform'...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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 Yes, he's talking about the future. Not the present or the past. The "Open Web Platform" he's proposing is about the future, where he wants to take the web, not it's current state. You specifically called-out his statement that "HTLM5 is finished" as being somehow wrong, remember?
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Wow! Really?! HTML 5 is finished? When?
HTML5 *is* finished. It *is* only about markup.
You're confusing HTML5 with other things, like javascript (aka, ECMASCRIPT) and javascript libraries which are another thing altogether. Yes, HTML5 allows scripting, but it's not tied to javascript; it could be BooBashScript in some HooDooVooDoo browser for all you know.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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I called out 'Wow' because the fact HTML5 (or even 6) is finished has nothing to do with what he talking about! He need CSS - and CSS3 is less then 20% completed, he needs JavaScript libraries - and less then 5% are completed.
So talking about finishing HTML5 as the gate we finally opened to the future is - disconnected? misleading? I'm not sure about the right word...It remembers me the companies putting HTML5 stickers on every product - even milk - to sell it better.
Pisses me of...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Well, I see what you're saying.
However, I don't think that he meant exactly that. Maybe means *he's* done with HTML5, he just wants to focus his efforts as he said...
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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The Antikythera Mechanism, sometimes called the "world's oldest computer," is even older than previously thought, according to researchers. Ran on Windows CCV
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uh ... hmmm ... [^]
«OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. » Alan Kay's clarification on what he meant by the term "Object" in "Object-Oriented Programming."
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Yeah, yeah. Sorry.
TTFN - Kent
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It's a remarkable piece of engineering, but I think calling it a computer overeggs things a tad.
It was not programmable - purely designed as an astronomical calculator. An amazing feat, but not a computer by any stretch of the imagination.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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